Completely Annotated Rules - work in progress!

[Carcking]

Bridges, Castles & Bazaars edits:
• Yes, you should revert its title back. Castles, Bridges & Bazaars is not the name used in the English version.
• p.77 – "When a tile with a bazaar on it is drawn, the player should place it as usual. " So, do people score and everything too, or does that wait until the end of the bazaar round? The rules seem very vague on that specific important point.

I'm confused on the comment about the English version. My English version says Castles, Bridges & Bazaars...is it different than others?


 

[The Broox]

• p.77 – "When a tile with a bazaar on it is drawn, the player should place it as usual. " So, do people score and everything too, or does that wait until the end of the bazaar round? The rules seem very vague on that specific important point.

That's really all the rules say, in both the original and HiG BB3 editions. But the RGG BB3 adds "(including placing a follower, scoring, and even not placing it if there is no place for it)." The last one is odd, as it suggests the tile may have an effect even if it is discarded; but RGG obviously has the same concerns as you.

The only piece that is ever unplayable is a cccc piece. So RGG is suggesting if the cccc tile with the bazaar is drawn and unplayable the tile is tossed back but the auction still occurs. An odd ruling, it would make more sense to only have the action occur once the tile has been played. Also it sets a bad precedent, particularly in regards to the catapult, by causing the catapult round to occur minus the tile in play would make it impossible to perform the Archery Tournament competition.

[Boondocker]

That's really all the rules say, in both the original and HiG BB3 editions. But the RGG BB3 adds "(including placing a follower, scoring, and even not placing it if there is no place for it)."

The stand-alone CB&B instruction sheet (from RGG) also includes the above, if that helps.

[The Broox]

That's really all the rules say, in both the original and HiG BB3 editions. But the RGG BB3 adds "(including placing a follower, scoring, and even not placing it if there is no place for it)."

The stand-alone CB&B instruction sheet (from RGG) also includes the above, if that helps.

The more I read it the more I am confused by the following phrase "and even not placing it if there is no place for it", does "it" refer to the tile or the follower?

[mjharper]

That's really all the rules say, in both the original and HiG BB3 editions. But the RGG BB3 adds "(including placing a follower, scoring, and even not placing it if there is no place for it)."

The stand-alone CB&B instruction sheet (from RGG) also includes the above, if that helps.

Thanks. I've corrected the CAR.

d it the more I am confused by the following phrase "and even not placing it if there is no place for it", does "it" refer to the tile or the follower?

The tile, I think.

[Whaleyland]

I'm confused on the comment about the English version. My English version says Castles, Bridges & Bazaars...is it different than others?

The rules document for the expansion is a mistranslation (and has a misspelling: basars). Grammar is also correct on the box. The box is:

[Carcking]

Wow, that is weird, I never noticed the misspelling on "basaars".
Thanks Whaleyland for pointing that out!

It's funny now that I think of it but we always call it "Castles, Bridges and Bazaars" at the table when we are playing, etc. Never the otherway around. I think we naturally slid into the alliteration thing.

[mjharper]

Wow, that is weird, I never noticed the misspelling on "basaars".
Thanks Whaleyland for pointing that out!

It's funny now that I think of it but we always call it "Castles, Bridges and Bazaars" at the table when we are playing, etc. Never the otherway around. I think we naturally slid into the alliteration thing.

Is that one vote for "Castles, Bridges and Bazaars"? 

[Boondocker]

Is that one vote for "Castles, Bridges and Bazaars"? 

If it is, then I counter-vote for Bridges, Castles, & Bazaars.

[Whaleyland]

If it is, then I counter-vote for Bridges, Castles, & Bazaars.

Me too! BC&B is the German translation as well.

[CKorfmann]

I will politely refrain from voting for Bridges, Castles and Bazaars. 

[mjharper]

If it is, then I counter-vote for Bridges, Castles, & Bazaars.

Me too! BC&B is the German translation as well.

Don't worry guys, I've already changed it back to BC&B. I just think that CB&B is more natural, and I would have preferred it. But so many people have got used to BC&B that it will have to stick.

I'd also prefer to use 'bandit' rather than 'thief', but there's no way I could get away with that, either  

[McJazz]

My copy had this misspelling:
http://boardgamegeek.com/image/882286/carcassonne-bridges-castles-and-bazaars

[mjharper]

So, can somebody explain to me what the deal is with LA Porxada? I'm at the point where either I include it in the CAR or I don't, and I'm not yet convinced.

Here's my concerns. The CAR has a clear criteria for inclusion: official release by HiG or RGG. That includes magazines like Spielbox or GQ. For all I know, there could be unique 'official' Swedish expansions, but I don't think we'd be including them.

If I include La Porky in the CAR, it opens the doors to other fan-made expansions. Why include La Porky and not something by one of the highly creative designers on our site? At the moment, it's clear: no fan-made expansions. Nobody expects to find them in the CAR, so their absence isn't an issue. When people begin to expect them, we get into the whole 'why include this and not that?' debate, and I really don't want to go there.

The next problem is where to put it. In beta 9, there is still a section at the end of the CAR called Further Developments. I've never been happy with the title. And for beta 10 I was thinking of removing the 'official variants' (because frankly who cares anymore) and moving the house rules to a section immediately after the expansion they refer to. I feel that would be much more appropriate, and may encourage new players to use the house rules and/or think of their own. But if I do that, the whole Further Development section can be removed; and then where do I put La Porky?

Variants are a large part of CarcassonneCentral, I know. I would love to see a CC expansion published, and would love to include that in the CAR. But then that would be an official expansion created by us (well, you ). As for La Porky, I'm really not sure that I want to 'dilute' the integrity of the CAR by including it.

If you agree, let me know. If you disagree, let me know as well

[Whaleyland]

I'd be fine NOT including La Porxada. Despite it being locally distributed at one convention in Spain, it hardly constitutes a real expansion. It was never printed, but just done with stickers on blank tiles. It only is one tile. I know BGG had entries for it, but they have entries for many fan-made things. I'd say wait a bit to see if anything comes of it. Perhaps HiG or RGG will release an official version of it one day, or something that uses the same mechanics. I'd rather wait and see than include it right now.