Paradox of two houses

[O.M.S.]

Wow, a half day away on the trip (I think that nice sunyday was in Jena too  ) and such a wind. Thank you very much boys for your interest. I like what Joff said (to insist on Inn on the Lake) and I agree with Scot, but, but ...
Inn on (or at?) the Spring?? I am confused   

Out of topic. May I ask somebody here for sending good scan (300 dpi is enough) of "american" version of tiles "CRCR" (see below)?
No, no another surprise  , only for completing of my collection. Thanks.

[Joff]

Seriously though, the rules do state that it is an Inn on the Lake that scores, and it also provides a picture of what an Inn on the Lake should look like, so I would definately maintain that the Inn on the Spring is not the same as an Inn on the Lake. Of course, if RGG rule that it is a scoring Inn, we might as well 'pack up and go home', what with a pig herd that's not a pig herd and then a Inn that scores without a lake... what are they doing?   

@ O.M.S: American version of 'CRCR'? Do you mean Big Box version?

[mjharper]

what are they doing?   

Making it up as they go along

[Scott]

If Jay were to say that the Inn on the Spring is the same as the Inn on the Lake, we would then have to challenge him on the Pig Herd tile because IMHO that's a lot closer call.

@OMS, the Big Box version of that CRCR tile has a clump of trees over the intersection to clarify that the road does not continue through. I don't have the Big Box so I can't scan for you, but I know I've seen a picture of it somewhere.

[O.M.S.]

@ O.M.S: American version of 'CRCR'? Do you mean Big Box version?

Oh sorry, yes, Big Box version.

[O.M.S.]

@OMS, the Big Box version of that CRCR tile has a clump of trees over the intersection to clarify that the road does not continue through. I don't have the Big Box so I can't scan for you, but I know I've seen a picture of it somewhere.

Yes, I know what is on. The tile (its picture) is in CAR, page 62.

[mjharper]

@OMS, the Big Box version of that CRCR tile has a clump of trees over the intersection to clarify that the road does not continue through. I don't have the Big Box so I can't scan for you, but I know I've seen a picture of it somewhere.

Yes, I know what is on. The tile (its picture) is in CAR, page 62.

It is, but it isn't a very high quality image—just a crop from the rule book. I can crop it at a better setting, but it still won't be much good because it's about a quarter of the size of the tile. And I don't have the Big Box either…

[O.M.S.]

.... I can crop it at a better setting, but it still won't be much good because it's about a quarter of the size of the tile. And I don't have the Big Box either…

I am patient, thanks.

[Tobias]

If Jay were to say that the Inn on the Spring is the same as the Inn on the Lake, we would then have to challenge him on the Pig Herd tile because IMHO that's a lot closer call.

On the other hand, is there anyone who does not play with that pig herd tile as being a .. pig herd tile?

[Scott]

On the other hand, is there anyone who does not play with that pig herd tile as being a .. pig herd tile?

I've only played the expansion once, and when I did we had no idea what a pig herd tile was because we had not played River II yet (and still haven't). I remember somebody asking what it was when it was pulled from the bag. I figured it was just an empty field tile with no special significance. Now that I know better, the rebellious part of me wants to use it as a pig herd tile, but the rest of me wants to follow the rules. Besides, farmers score enough points already.

If it were allowed to be used as a pig herd tile, another ruling would need to be made about what happens when both are on the same farm. Probably only one would count for points.

[Novelty]

If Jay were to say that the Inn on the Spring is the same as the Inn on the Lake, we would then have to challenge him on the Pig Herd tile because IMHO that's a lot closer call.

Maybe challenge is too strong a word.  We should definately reconfirme with him that the Pig Herd tile is not a pig heard tile if he says that Inn on Spring is the same as Inn on Lake.

[Joff]

On the other hand, is there anyone who does not play with that pig herd tile as being a .. pig herd tile?

We NEVER have played with the pig herd tile (either the pretend one in the GQ expansion or the River II real one). We don't think the game needs it! Certainly not if you have Traders and Builders in the mix.

[Tobias]

We NEVER have played with the pig herd tile (either the pretend one in the GQ expansion or the River II real one). We don't think the game needs it! Certainly not if you have Traders and Builders in the mix.

That only means that you still see it as a pig herd tile - since you actively chose not to regard it as thus. 

If it wasn't seen as a pig herd tile, the discussion wouldn't even come up. For example we usually don't count points for the fairy. But it's still a fairy!

Okay, maybe I'm unfair. But to me it's blatantly obvious that a tile with a pig herd on it - is a pig herd tile.

Edit: Typo

[Joff]

Yes it's a pig herd... pretend or not!!!

[mjharper]

If it were allowed to be used as a pig herd tile, another ruling would need to be made about what happens when both are on the same farm. Probably only one would count for points.

That's a good question, but not one I know who to ask. RGG would just reply that it isn't a pig-herd tile; and HiG would be hard pushed to rule on it because even if it is a pig-herd tile, it isn't in one of their expansions.

I'd agree with your interpretation—multiple pig-herds don't score more.

And, personally, I think it's churlish to say it isn't a pig-herd tile. What's the difference between it and the tile in The River II. One has six pigs and a 'barn', the other has ten pigs, a 'barn' and a stretch of river. No other tile contains pigs. There's no question in my mind that it's a pig-herd tile, and we always play it as one. But…

But basically the GQ11 was a poor expansion which amounted to advertising. Billed as having 'never before seen' configurations, it really just took old tiles and added a graphical element somewhere. But none of the graphical elements were actually considered as game play elements.

Hey, we want to add a road to a spring tile, in needs to end in a building; look, here's one, let's use that. What, you mean that's an inn? Who cares?

The decision that it was not a 'pig-herd' tile was not, in my mind, a 'ruling' as such, but a statement of 'I don't care'. No respect for the game, the players, or even the expansion you've just released. It was an exercise of power, and that's all.

I know that sounds harsh, but it's what I think.