Paradox of two houses

[O.M.S.]

As newbie I would like to know what is different (except imbuement) between these houses, please.

[Scott]

They are slightly different color...

Is this relevant to Carcassonne?

[O.M.S.]

They are slightly different color...

Except colour, sorry.

Is this relevant to Carcassonne?

It depends on the difference.
Maybe it was solved here, but I didn't find any footnote.

[Scott]

I'm confused. Where are you getting the pictures of these houses from?

[mjharper]

Unless I'm much mistaken, they are both inns, and they're only available in I&C and The River II. I hope that no future expansion contains roadside lakes without inns, because most of us are so familiar with the visual indicator of the lakes that we forget it's actually the inns that a being scored.

I agree that there's no difference in terms of game play.

[O.M.S.]

Unless I'm much mistaken, they are both inns, and they're only available in I&C and The River II. I hope that no future expansion contains roadside lakes without inns, because most of us are so familiar with the visual indicator of the lakes that we forget it's actually the inns that a being scored.

I agree that there's no difference in terms of game play.

Both inns? The first is from GQ 11 (spring), the second from I&C or The River II. The first is the inn (probably). The second is inn on the lake. Only the second is counted .... (Yes?)

Edit: There is interesting to compare German and English rules for I&C By my poor knowledge of German, there isn't any word about lake in paragraph (in heading of chapter yes) concerning inns. In "English" version (RGG) the word lake there is.

[mjharper]

Condemned by my own words… Well spotted! I don't think any of us that considered that the building on the spring tile from GQ11 was actually an inn—because there is no lake! But it is indeed an inn…

So, what now? There's no chance of a HiG ruling on this, since GQ11 is a RGG expansion. And, given Jay's ruling that the pig-herd tile is not a pig-herd tile—even though it seemed clear to everyone else that it was—I think it's safe enough to assume that, if we ask, he'll tell us that it isn't a 'proper' inn.

But what do you guys think? Should the GQ11 be scored as an inn or not?

I'll add a footnote to the GQ11 section of the CAR…

[Joff]

But what do you guys think? Should the GQ11 be scored as an inn or not?

No. It would cause confusion.

I believe the RGG I&C rules make a distinction and call it 'Inn on the Lake'. These are the rules from RGG standard expansion:

"Inn on the Lake (6 tiles)
If one or more of the segments of a completed road contain an Inn on the Lake, the thief earns 2 points per road segment (number of tiles) for the player. If such a road is not completed by the end of the game, the thief scores 0 points for the player!" (bold emphasis mine)

The tile from GQ11 is not an 'Inn on the Lake'.

What does the RGG/HiG Big Box rules say?

[mjharper]

I just checked; both the original and the Big Box rules (HiG) do actually say 'an inn by a lake'—so it probably does make sense to say it doesn't count as an 'inn' for scoring purposes. Still, you could argue that it is 'by a spring', and that it's much the same thing.

However, if nothing else, there's an error in the CAR which needs to be corrected. I'll add the clarification 'inn by a lake' to the I&C rules, and a footnote to GQ11 saying that, although it looks like an inn, it doesn't fulfil the requirements.

[Novelty]

I agree with Joff.  I don't think it counts as an "Inn on the lake" for the purpose of scoring roads.  Is there anything in GQ11 to suggest one way or the other whether it counts as an inn for the scoring of roads?

[Joff]

Still, you could argue that it is 'by a spring', and that it's much the same thing.

Let the arguments commence! I'll get in first by saying that a spring is the source of a river and a lake is what the river flows into!

So, no, one cannot argue that they are the same thing  

[Scott]

GQ11 came with no rules, which is why the intial confusion about the (not) pig herd tile. I'm inclined to agree that the inn on the spring doesn't qualify for bonus points. However, I think Jay should be sent an e-mail anyway to get his official opinion. He'll either confirm, in which case that's what he gets for using the inn artwork, or he'll surprise us and say that it does count for bonus points.

It's only a matter of time before the Lawyers of Carcassonne get their hands on this, and they're going to want proof.

[Novelty]

Can someone point me to the "That is not a pig tile" comment?

[Joff]

Can someone point me to the "That is not a pig tile" comment?

Page 39 of CAR (Paragraph 4 in main text and footnote 116 for the official verdict).

[mjharper]

Let the arguments commence! I'll get in first by saying that a spring is the source of a river and a lake is what the river flows into!

So, no, one cannot argue that they are the same thing  

Ah, but that just means they're two ends of the same process, in this case a waterway. I'm going to argue (much less believe ) that they are the same, but there's clearly a closer connection between the GQ11 tile and a normal 'inn by a lake' than there would be if the inn was, say, stranded alone in the middle of a field, or stood next to a tower foundation in a city.

I would argue that it is inarguable that they are closer; but are they close enough to warrant equal scoring?