Completely Annotated Rules - work in progress!

[Joff]

Excellent work, Matt.

I love the new 'Carcassonne Glossary'. This will be a big help to players unfamiliar with Carcassonne terms. I'm also pleased to see that the 'Overview' has returned

[wicke]

footnote 42, "... as can be seen on in the Tile...", take out "on"

and change small follower to normal or regular follower throughout the document, there are small followers now as well (The fan-made expansion Kids are growing up).
Especially on page 19, section 2, it sounds strange when both small and normal follower is mentioned.

and since I asked for the 'overview' to return, I am glad to see it back.

.../Wicke

[mjharper]

Does the image of the fair (fete) on the catapult tile ever cause a road, farm, or anything else to end.  IF so this needs to be stated somewhere in the CAR.

Definitely. Some of the tiles don't make any sense otherwise. I added a footnote saying this :-) 

Also is it ever possible to put a wagon inside an Abbey Tile by using its ability to drive there.  I don't think there is any way other than initially placing it there, but this is something I would like cleared up. 

I would have thought it could. Although the other features may be completed by placing an abbey, the abbey itself isn't complete until surrounded by eight tiles. If the abbey is still incomplete, surely the wagon can be moved there? I might not be understanding what you mean, though.

footnote 42, "... as can be seen on in the Tile...", take out "on"

and change small follower to normal or regular follower throughout the document, there are small followers now as well (The fan-made expansion Kids are growing up).
Especially on page 19, section 2, it sounds strange when both small and normal follower is mentioned.

Done and done ;-)

Excellent work, Matt.

I love the new 'Carcassonne Glossary'. This will be a big help to players unfamiliar with Carcassonne terms. I'm also pleased to see that the 'Overview' has returned

Glad you like it

[neebah]

Dragon:   do you score before or after moving?  Which is preferred?

[edmil]

Fantastic job on the CAR - printed it last night so I could read on train on way to work - or wherever.
While I have been trawling through the forum I have noticed the Double turn rule has sometimes created a bit of confusion.
Would it be better to use  different terminology like Turn and play.   

Turn: player is in control
Play: Drawing and placement of tile and any associated actions.

Here's how I see it, each player has a turn which can consist of one play or a double play or maybe a triple play if a variant calls for it.
That way it's easy to distinguish between things that can happen once in turn (i.e. regardless of the number of plays) and what happens in a play i.e tile drawn and placed.

Just a thought - maybe it makes it even more confusing.

[neebah]

Does the image of the fair (fete) on the catapult tile ever cause a road, farm, or anything else to end.  IF so this needs to be stated somewhere in the CAR.

Definitely. Some of the tiles don't make any sense otherwise. I added a footnote saying this :-) 

so yes for the roads, and yes for the farms that are completely separated by yellow?  Is this in the downloaded version now?  I wasn't really sure what was decided?

Also is it ever possible to put a wagon inside an Abbey Tile by using its ability to drive there.  I don't think there is any way other than initially placing it there, but this is something I would like cleared up. 

I would have thought it could. Although the other features may be completed by placing an abbey, the abbey itself isn't complete until surrounded by eight tiles. If the abbey is still incomplete, surely the wagon can be moved there? I might not be understanding what you mean, though.

I guess my question really is two fold.  If you complete a feature with the that has a wagon in it with an abbey tile you can then move the wagon to the abbey tile if it is incomplete or that tile completes it.  That makes sense now.  Driving there or picking it up and placing it don't really have any problems.  The other half of my question is this.  If you have a wagon in an abbey next to a city piece or a road piece, when the abbey is complete can you move it to an unscored and incomplete feature via roads or cities touching the abbey or do you have to simply return your wagon. 

[O.M.S.]

Matt, do you think that it would be suitable in "Glossary" to write some words about difference between Big Box from RGG and Big Box from HiG? Page 99.

[Scott]

On page 70 of (V. 5.0B4) of the CAR.  Under the Tower Block column it is mentioned that yes it can be captured by a tower.  I assume all the yesses in this column refers to figures on the tower block and not the actual blocks themselves.  All other rules in the CAR would seem to agree with me, but the reference is not straightforward.  Probably just a small point. 

The tower blocks are also labelled as being dragon food. I think both of these are in error.

Dragon:   do you score before or after moving?  Which is preferred?

It's better to create new topics to ask rules questions. You'll find your (convulted) answer in footnote 100 of version 5.0b4

Like Joff, I am also pleased to see the return of Overview, though I was optimistically hoping for an expanded "Order of play" section like that article somebody posted a few months ago.

Loving the new glossary. A few remarks:

bag

For the hardcore Carcassonne collector, there is another bag to be had which I think deserves at least a brief mention.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040213000359/www.carcassonne.de/lesac.htm

depreciated

Did you mean deprecated? (to be rendered obsolete?) The word depreciated is very similar to the word amortized (the difference between the two has been lost in the sands of time).

I'd like to nominate "move the wood" for a glossary entry.

I see my name at the beginning of the house rules section as a contributor, but it doesn't appear after any of the contributions. I don't know how to feel about that except confused.

If you want to fill up the CarcCentral page a bit more, you could always mention how lots of spiffy fan-made expansions and accessories are available to download here. (larger scoring tracks, player aids, Complete Annotated Rules for AotC and H&G...  )

[skipboris]

@hester—I'll go through the corrections today. Didn't see them before 

Anyway: 5.0b4 is up. Numerous corrections, but most importantly I added the Overview and a Glossary. The CarcassonneCentral page at the end could also do with beefing up.

Must rush, back later. Feedback, as always, appreciated.

I'm sorry, but where is it?

[Novelty]

@skipboris: There's a thread that's pinned to this forum and locked by Matt which tells you where to download it.

@scot: depreciated = loss of value

[Joff]

I'd like to nominate "move the wood" for a glossary entry.

I'd like to second that

[mjharper]

Dragon:   do you score before or after moving?  Which is preferred?

Before, obviously—that's the HiG rule 

[neebah]

Another item that may need clearing up.  I assume you can do this because they are essentially followers, but can the mayor and wagon have a builder associated with them. 

[hester]

@Matt:

I'm reading my way through 5.0b4 right now and already have a number of comments, but I won't be able to type them up before tonight. Just wanted to let you know in case you were getting ready to upload another version.

Love the updated overview and the new glossary!

Hester

[hester]

Ok, I typed it all up but it turned out fairly long, even though I only read the new parts closely. I figured it wouldn’t be much use to flood the board with a lengthy post like this, so I'll send you an email instead.