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« Reply #105 on: February 05, 2008, 04:21:14 pm »

Part of the value of the CAR is it being able to answer a question quickly.  I vote for both forward and back references of some sort, whether it be full text or a link (err page reference).

I agree.
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« Reply #106 on: February 05, 2008, 06:23:43 pm »

I now see that, although redundant within the context of the whole document, forward references are good to keep for PDFing individual expansions by themselves.

I agree with everything since my last post.
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« Reply #107 on: February 05, 2008, 08:03:08 pm »

I would like an expansions summary that's not necessary written out in paragraphs, but summarised... pictorially maybe?  That way, I can find out at a quick glace that H&G is not part of the series.
Is this a bad idea?
No, sounds like a good one. Probably to be included somewhere around the introduction…
Perhaps it should be tabularised to show which expansion was published by who HiG/RGG/others and any special notes - e.g. Cathars is only available in the almanac available in Europe, etc.
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« Reply #108 on: February 06, 2008, 06:44:45 am »

If I may, a little to graphic layout.
By my oppinion the header (Carcassonne: .....) and sometimes footer (page number) are very close to text and especially header "disturbes" view on text and mainly on heading of chapters.
I think that name of chapters ("the 1. level") could be better in header in the "not-disturbing" position.
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« Reply #109 on: February 06, 2008, 07:10:09 am »

By my oppinion the header (Carcassonne: .....) and sometimes footer (page number) are very close to text and especially header "disturbes" view on text and mainly on heading of chapters.
I think that name of chapters ("the 1. level") could be better in header in the "not-disturbing" position.

I agree with you here O.M.S. The CAR is at draft stage only at the moment and so i'm sure that Matt will tweak everything before the 'official' release. Smiley
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« Reply #110 on: February 06, 2008, 08:49:08 am »

If I may, a little to graphic layout.
Of course!

By my oppinion the header (Carcassonne: .....) and sometimes footer (page number) are very close to text and especially header "disturbes" view on text and mainly on heading of chapters.
Okay, I changed that. I simply removed the header completely, and added the version number in the bottom right of the footer. I do want to keep that somewhere, because I know some people just print out sections which have changed, and the version number helps there.

I think that name of chapters ("the 1. level") could be better in header in the "not-disturbing" position.
Can't do that, sorry. First of all, I can't see a way of getting the application I'm using to do that (in Latex, no problem, but I've got too may graphics for Latex). Also, sometimes there are several of those '1. level' entries to a page, and sometimes they cover several. I know they look awkward sometimes, but if I'm sticking to the Big Box style, they've got to stay.
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« Reply #111 on: February 06, 2008, 09:21:06 am »

I think that name of chapters ("the 1. level") could be better in header in the "not-disturbing" position.
Can't do that, sorry. First of all, I can't see a way of getting the application I'm using to do that (in Latex, no problem, but I've got too may graphics for Latex). Also, sometimes there are several of those '1. level' entries to a page, and sometimes they cover several. I know they look awkward sometimes, but if I'm sticking to the Big Box style, they've got to stay.
Never mind that.
I would like to know the Big Box style, I would like to have copy of one tile (only one!!!) from this unattained box  Cry
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« Reply #112 on: February 06, 2008, 10:03:03 am »

Another day, another update. I'm seriously tempted to make this one an official beta version. It's got everything I want to keep from the old version. The Incorporated/Depreciated FAQ section is gone (to be moved to the online FAQ), and the Overview is still not there—but I think we can do better than the one in the old version. But I added the Consolidated Tile Reference (updated for C,K&C), expanded the tile overview with some notes on mega-Carc, and took over the summary of rule changes. The acknowledgements section needs fleshing out (none from the current round of revisions), but that will come soon. I also changed the front page back to the familiar image (moved around slightly).

So: 86 pages, 2.9 MB. A 'best' quality export came in at 9.1 MB; I'll upload that when this version comes out of beta. It does look much better though. Cool

From here on out, it's all about additions Smiley
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« Reply #113 on: February 06, 2008, 11:19:12 am »

The tile overview is a little confusing. As you wrote, the King and Robber Baron tiles, and the Abbey tiles, are not actually to be discarded, whereas the other tiles in the fourth column are. Might make more sense if they were added to the numbers in the third column. Also, what of the 50/100 scoring tiles? Should they be included in a tile overview?
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« Reply #114 on: February 06, 2008, 01:33:44 pm »

Yes, I agree with Scott, I was thinking to add another column(s) for better overview too.

Other notes for The tile overview.
1. The heading of the third column (Total) is "noncompatible" with heading of the fourth column (Additional Tiles). Maybe Standard Tiles or ..., I am not sure, I haven't feeling in English.
2. The text in columns with numbers (the 3rd, the 4th) could be centered.
3. Last row could be divided into 2 rows, the 1st for "subtotal" with correct sum for each columns, the 2nd for "totalsum" of subtotal in combined cells. Is it clear?  Smiley
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« Reply #115 on: February 06, 2008, 01:57:32 pm »

I hear you both.

Is this any better?

I'd prefer not to have to add an extra row for the 281 total, because that would push the text onto the next page. But maybe I should just write more about mega-Carc.
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« Reply #116 on: February 06, 2008, 02:46:17 pm »

OK, I agree with last row and what about to separate heading and especially last row by bold line to differ internal data.

Bonus Tiles. Bonus Tiles? Hm, Bonus means somethig more for better state, what about auxiliary, subsidiary ... (Don't laugh me please  Smiley)

Duplicate Tiles. One from Basic, two from River and one from River II are duplicate? What about one column more for obligatory, predestinate ... , again sorry that I controvert on linquistic field. And duplicate tiles to let for King ..., Count ... and River II from the 6.

Again I'd remind to center text in "Land Tiles" column as is in other columns.

And back. Page 4. Text "3 points" and "4 points" to one row each, do you understand?

When do you want to release full version?
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« Reply #117 on: February 06, 2008, 03:49:40 pm »

OK, I agree with last row and what about to separate heading and especially last row by bold line to differ internal data.

Bonus Tiles. Bonus Tiles? Hm, Bonus means somethig more for better state, what about auxiliary, subsidiary ... (Don't laugh me please  Smiley)
How about 'Extra Tiles'? That might be better.

Duplicate Tiles. One from Basic, two from River and one from River II are duplicate? What about one column more for obligatory, predestinate ... , again sorry that I controvert on linquistic field. And duplicate tiles to let for King ..., Count ... and River II from the 6.
I can't add any more columns—not enough space. 'Duplicate' is maybe not the best word… I'll try to think of something else.

Again I'd remind to center text in "Land Tiles" column as is in other columns.
Done.

And back. Page 4. Text "3 points" and "4 points" to one row each, do you understand?
No, sorry—I don't know what you mean.

When do you want to release full version?
When it's finished Wink
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« Reply #118 on: February 06, 2008, 04:25:58 pm »

Matt, most of these are cosmetic, picky corrections. In no way am I criticising you, so don’t be offended Smiley Also, these were looked at before the 'Another day, another update' version (so the page numbers could be different from the version that is now posted), and if you've caught any of these already, my apologies... and my apologies if these have already been mentioned by others Wink

(I've printed at 600dpi on a HP LaserJet 1320 in black and white)

Document printed at A5 with no text clarity issues.

Document printed at A4 with no text clarity issues.

Although some illustrations in the main body of text are difficult (blockier at A4, obviously) on the whole they are ok. However, the footnote examples are quite difficult to see.

The header and footer needs to be positioned further away from the main text.

Justified text looks nice.

TOC – Credits are unnecessary here, they are better at the top of each ‘chapter’.

Occasionally, the text flows onto the following page in an ‘unusual’ manner. For example, page 11 the last part of the sentence reads, “…the followers involved are”, it then page breaks and continues on page 12 with, “removed.” There appears to be plenty of room on page 11 for the last word. Another one is on page 54 where a page break would be better before the heading ‘2. Deploy a follower’.

Is the new expansion name King, Count and Consort or King, Count and Consorts? I only ask as it is repeated throughout the footnotes as the latter, and I thought it was the former. Like I said, i'm only nit-picking Smiley

Page 3 – ‘Where does this document stand?’, 2nd line, “-there are currently 11-“ should read “-there are currently 12-“.

Page 17 – Inns and Cathedrals. The text under the cloister and crossing tiles is overlapped by the inn and farm tiles underneath (it's the word 'segments' Wink).

Page 18 – Footnote 40, ‘excludes’ should be ‘exclude’.

            - Footnote 41, the apostrophe after ‘players’ is not required… (I think).

Page 20 – Cosmetic correction for consistency. Footnote 44, “The RGG edition of the Big Box…”, 'Big Box' should be in bold and italics.

Page 43 – Footnote 136, lose the space before the close bracket [it eats them ]… it’s annoying me (having said that, this is probably the very reason to leave it in Wink)

Page 49 – Footnote 160, the word extended should be enclosed with the same inverted comma/s.

            -  Footnote 166, there’s a different font used on the inverted commas. I know… slightly fussy!

Page 54 – Footnote 187, “…cloister neighbour”, should read “…cloister to neighbour”

            - I am not sure as to what exactly your comment in brackets means ([No-Matt]). Can you expound on this? …After looking at it, I understand (I think). You are answering the question posed in a straightforward way, yes? Wink

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« Reply #119 on: February 06, 2008, 05:04:05 pm »

How about 'Extra Tiles'? That might be better.
Yes, why not.

I can't add any more columns—not enough space. 'Duplicate' is maybe not the best word… I'll try to think of something else.
I think that it would be suitable to differ "starting" tiles from "duplicate" tiles. In  one column by asterisk(s)?
Or to combine extra tiles with starting, both can be used on the playing-field. Oh, but what with King and Baron. Sorry I overcombined this.

No, sorry—I don't know what you mean.
On the page 4, row 12 (incl. chapter heading) resp. 24: the digit 3 resp. 4 ends row. I thought that they should be moved to other row to "connect" with word "points".  I don't how do you look on this.
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