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Here is a suggestion for the use of the meeples from the travel Carcassonne.

If a person lays a tile with the inn on the lake they can place the smaller meeple on the inn and become the owner of the inn. they don't have to own the road to own the Inn.

Point wise they could get 3 points after the road is completed.

If anybody thinks that this might be a good way off playing they can run with it and create a variant for this. I am no good at writing up anything, just keep me in the loop, I might have other ideas.

Sounds interesting... nice and simple... good variant... how many mini meeples would each person get, considering that there are 7 inns in the game? Two each?

that would still need to worked out. But it would depend on how many expansions you are using or who gets lucky and draws all 7 tiles he would bcome owner of all the inns.

In that case it seems that everyone needs 7 meeples, but since they are only useful for inns, the other 42 would be useless... maybe something similar for catherdrals/ trade good symbols/ fairgrounds etc.

I will need to take a closer look at the tiles and see what is possible.

Perhaps the smaller meeples can be placed at farmhouses and pig farms and maybe other places as well?

Somewhere I read about a rule like that:

The small ones are "children" and can only be placed 3 tiles away from a parent (any normal Meeple). If the kid has scored once, it grows up (put it away and take a new normal one).

Maybe I will find the link later...

EDIT here it is...


http://www.john-warren.co.uk/carcassonne/files/Kids_0_6.pdf

Hmm, Maybe something like this:

Four imps (mini-meeples), who lives at inns (they help clean the stable and other such tasks). One imp on one road give you one point when the road is finished, two gives two points, three gives five points, and four gives ten. However - if anyone but the owner of the imps (there could be several differently coloured imps on one road) finishes the road, the points are negative (for the imp owner). An alternative could be to have the dragon move one step for the first imp, two for the second, three for the third and five for the fifth - it will always mo toward the closest imp and it will not eat anything else but imps. (Imps are videly regarded as snacks among dragons - trust me I know these things.)

Now - I have not thought this through, but it goes in line with the mischievously nature of imps. And - we avoid calling them children (which is almost a curse word)! Feel free to comment, steal or disregard!

This will also give you an incentive to play the roads as they should be played: roads do not stop in bushes :)

Adding these to the inns sounds good. Using the smaller meeples to use on some of the other tile features to get extra scoring. Just need to figure out the points for each feature and what all the different features there are that can be used.

That is a different expansion by a different person...

I look forward to the other features that may be used to score with this fan-made expansion/variant.  I'm sure there are a lot of unused features on tiles that may be used.

I have come up some info for using the travel meeples.

I don't have all the expansions but what I have found is that there are 39 inn tiles.

Other tiles that would work with the travel meeples is the wells, pig farms and ranches. The part I need to know is what would consist of ranches. I am thinking the brown buildings with fences around them are the ranches or  would it just consist of the ones with animals on them.

Points wise i am still working out the details. For starters, if a person finishes a road with a inn on it it would be worth 4 points and the inn would only be worth 3 points. Would it be wise that the inn points be worth alittle more or just keep it as 3 just in case somebody already has a follower on the road another player can then put there owner on the inn.

Another thing I am thinking is to add some more inn tiles just incase others haven't made the other variants from this site so that they don't have to go throught finding the inn tiles on all the variants.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Where can I find a Template to create the Carcassone Variant rules that I see as PDF's on this site?

PM sent regarding this.

Oh, I forgot to mention, this is listed in the in development (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=478.0) thread as "Inn Owners".  Have fun.

I noticed that while looking through the forums. Thanks Novelty.

I am working at creating the first draft of Inn owners. Not an easy task for a first timer but I am hoping to get the first draft out soon.

With this being my first time there are a few questions I have.

1.  Should I have one variant for just the Inns or combine them into one variant?

So far I have different features that I am looking at that can be used for the Travel Meeples. They are Inns, Ranches, and wells (if Meepleater doesn't mind having a variant made using his variant?)

2.  If I combine them should I write it up with a description for each or try and describe it in one paragraph?

3.  Should I show images of the tiles that players should be looking for or do you think they will know which ones I am talking about?

Thanks for all your help so far.

No, I don't mind (although that's not what I intended them for)... and technically it's an expansion, not a variant  ;)

1. That's up to you.  It might be better to combine them all togehter
2. I think each of them should have the relevant section
3. Please do show the images - if nothing else, it makes the rules look more attractive (and IMO better)

Things to think about:
i. Provide examples
ii. Interaction with the other expansions and fan-made stuff

I would suggest looking through some of the rules for the things that we have done.  The ones that I've done that you might find of benefit would probably include meepleater's Apothecary & Tithes, Kettle of Fish, and of course, Wells.

After some further thought it is kind of strange to have an owner on a well, but thanks for approval to use them if i wanted to.

On another note, how and where would i post the first round draft?

I like the use of inns, and 'ranches' (Isn't 'ranch' an american term? Carcassonne is in Europe). What about Cathedrals?

I will get that fixed. What is a ranch called in Europe?

Don't know... I'm Australian... 'farm', 'barn' would be too confusing...

Would stable work. I was trying to stay away from farm and barn because of the other expansions use those terms.

that's what I said about being confusing...

oh, and yes, stable would work very well...

Yeah, wells would be a bit weird.  Stable would be interesting.  Farmhouse would be another good idea.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/afmokzmzim0/Inn and Stable Owners.pdf (http://www.mediafire.com/file/afmokzmzim0/Inn and Stable Owners.pdf)

Here is the first draft of the Inn and Stable Owners. Any feedback will be appreciated. This is my first time posting a link so bare with me if I have problems getting it to work.

I have tried to fit the houses and cathedrals in this expansion but they just don't seem to fit. The houses there is to many of them and they are inside and outside to towns. The cathedrals just don't seem right because nobody should own a cathedral.

The link works.  It's great to see someone else writing the rules.

Comments:
*It would be nice to have some of of the pictures of the small meeples.  Perhaps Joff could send them to you to include in the rules.
*You are calling this an expansion under the title, but in the rules it still says "Variant".  I think all the variants should be changed to expansions.
*I would rephrase the second sentence of preparation as "Each player should have four of each of the small followers (from Carcassonne Travel-Edition) of their colour)
*Rephrasing Drawing of an Inn tile (strikethroughs = delete, bold = add): When a player draws a tile with an Inn on it he they may play it like any other tile from the basic Carcassonne rules as usual. The player has the option to may also deploy an owner a follower to the Inn as the Innkeeper in addition to the other usual actions or he may play a follower as the rules apply. You do not need to have a follower on the road to own an deploy a follower on the Inn.
*Rephrase the stables as above but with Inn changed out for Stable
*Rephraasing Inn Scoring: When a road along which an inn is completed, each player with an Innkeeper along that road scores 3 points for each Innkeeper along that road.  Scoring of an Inn with an owner on it receives 3 points if the road is completed. (0 points if the road is incomplete) If the Inn owner owns also has the most followers on the road the innkeeper owner receives 4 points  an additional one point.
*Question: What happens to incomplete roads at the end of the game?  How many points do the inn owners score?
*Rephrasing Stable Scoring: At the end of the game, each Scoring of a Stable that has an owner on it receives 5 points at the end of the game. If the Ranch has stable is with livestock on the tile that then the has an owner on it receives 7 an additional points.
*Comment: Wow, a bonus 5 points of whoever draws the tile with the stable and 7 points if it has livestock without doing any additional work.  That sounds too good to be true.  I think the player should have to work for these tiles.  How about making it score 1 point for each adjacent tile (like the cloister) for a maximum of 8 points and the livestock adds an additional 5 point if it is surrounded by 8 tiles (livestock needs to feed on grass/farms!)?

How many travel meeples would each player have for this expansion?

According to the preparation, it's 4 per player.

Sorry, I missed that.

The reason for asking is that I am thinking of donating a small set of travel meeples to the currently running contest, but I don't think I have that many spare :( , and with them I wanted to supply a printed ruleset for using them. Another option I have are wicke's The Kids are Growing Up, but I am using one of wicke's creations for a contest prize already (The House of Valois - using 2 large gold followers).

Thanks novelty, I will get those changes made.

Joff, I have it starting with 4 travel meeples to start with when using the regular Carcassonne with the expansion Inns and Cathedrels. If a player has more expansions they can use more.

Question,

Should I leave the scoring for Innkeepers for unfinished roads as Zero points (to keep it challenging to finnish roads) or change it to one point for each Inn?

 

I would leave it as 0 points.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/q2yzxmdotij/Inn and Stable Owners.pdf (http://www.mediafire.com/file/q2yzxmdotij/Inn and Stable Owners.pdf)

Got the revised rules up for review let me know what need to be tweeked?

"When a road along which an inn is completed each player with an inkeeper along the road scores 3 points for each inkeeper along that road.

That sentance is worded a bit strangely. Also, is that for each inkeeper along the road (as you stated) or each inkeeper of your colour along the road?
Also, I think 9 points for a stable is a bit much, as that is the same (and with livestock, more) than cloisters, which play a more integral part of Carcassonne, are worth. Maybe for each orthogonal tile instead of adjacent?

Sorry, meepleater, that's my bad I think for not suggesting it.  Yes, it shoudl be "of their colour" in there somewhere.  A comma is also missing after the word completed there.  So the actual Scoring sectioon should read something like:

When a road along which an inn is completed, each player with an inkeeper along the road scores 3 points for each of their innkeeper along that road.  If an Innkeeper the player scoring the Innkeeper(s) also has the most followers on the road, each the Innkeeper receives an additional one point.
At the end of the game, Innkeepers do not score any points if the road that it is on is incomplete.

A stable is completed when the tile it is on is completely surrounded by land tiles. The player with a Stable owner on it earns 8 points (1 for each tile surrounding the Stable). If a A completed stable is completed which includes livestock receives an additional 5 points.  At the end of the game, For an incomplete Stable, the player with the each stable owner earns scores 1 point for each land tile surrounding it. The player does not receive and additional 5 points if the stable with livestock is not finished completed.

Also, commas (highlighted in Red) are missing in the drawing paragraphs (example for Inns shown):

When a player draws a tile with an Inn on it, they may play it as usual. The player may also deploy a follower to the Inn as the Innkeeper, in addition to the other usual actions. You don’t need to have a follower on the road to deploy a follower on the Inn.

Got the latest update to the Inn Owners and Ranchers.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mz3hyz0tmlt/Inn Owners and Ranchers.pdf (http://www.mediafire.com/file/mz3hyz0tmlt/Inn Owners and Ranchers.pdf)

Let me know if there is anything else that needs to be changed.

You need to add in the 2 commas for the Stable section, and then rev it up to 1.0 and you're ready to go final!  Good job!

Sorry about the long time to post the final but here it is.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/nym2xtnxyoh/Inn and Stable Owners.pdf (http://www.mediafire.com/file/nym2xtnxyoh/Inn and Stable Owners.pdf)

Good job!  Thanks for working on this!  Merit point awarded!  It's now available on the Public Downloads page.