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Title: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Bixby on September 23, 2008, 10:53:30 am
Carcassonne Expansion City - http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/38697
Carcassonne Die Pest - http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/38698
Carcassonne Der heilige Gral - http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/38699

Any insights on these products / expansions?????


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Joff on September 23, 2008, 11:30:14 am
These are not 'official' expansions. Rather thy are fan made expansions.

Now, HiG might well have given their 'blessing' to these being sold, but that does not make them official. These are the type that are regularly sold on eBay in Germany.

See this thread: http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=414.0 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=414.0)

I see that they have been placed as 'official' class, which, perhaps if HiG will publish then all well and good. However, they appear in this list of unofficial expansions on BGG: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/List_of_unofficial_expansions_for_Carcassonne (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/List_of_unofficial_expansions_for_Carcassonne) They are: Urban Expansion; The Plague and The Holy Grail.


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Novelty on September 23, 2008, 11:39:29 am
I find it interesting that the official expansion Das Katapult has not yet got an entry on BGG, but fan made expansions like those gets included.

I should apply for Carcassonne: Row, row, row your boat to see if I get a listing :p


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Joff on September 23, 2008, 11:47:56 am
I highly suspect that these will not be given official status :)


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Novelty on September 23, 2008, 11:48:46 am
Where does it say official status?


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Joff on September 23, 2008, 11:59:17 am
What I mean is that they appear listed as official expansions on BGG: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/metasearch.php?searchtype=game&search=carcassonne (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/metasearch.php?searchtype=game&search=carcassonne)

When you click on the said expansion it tell you that they are published by HiG... making them appear 'official'! Now, like I said, perhaps HiG will be releasing these in the near future as official expansions, but I doubt it.

The actual originator of these three 'expansions' is Frederick Scholta.


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Bixby on September 23, 2008, 12:40:03 pm
It is quite confusing when these show on BGG as being published by Hans Im Glick. Quite a dubious move by the poster if they are not being published officially.

I do not know enough about this to flag these as inappropriate entries on BGG, but it would be nice to confirm or deny whether these will be released through official channels.


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Bixby on September 23, 2008, 01:14:55 pm
Update:

I just posted a question on the BGG forums. I asked the same question on each game entry asking to have clarification as to whethere this was official material or a fan created expansion. Hopefully a response will get posted.


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Bixby on September 23, 2008, 02:13:39 pm
Second Update:

I contacted BGG admin and asked them to review the validity of these entries. I would hate for the public to be mislead.


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Deatheux on September 23, 2008, 04:22:34 pm
we have hard time to get new stuff from rgg, so the fans try themselves to expan the game(ais)


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: 14cross on September 23, 2008, 05:35:42 pm
All three of the links no longer work. I would assume that they were pulled from BBG.


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Deatheux on September 23, 2008, 06:38:54 pm
All three of the links no longer work. I would assume that they were pulled from BBG.

i would say that it is a good thing, to maintain the copyright, but the extra tiles shall stays as an free willing oppurtinity.


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Novelty on September 24, 2008, 09:42:34 am
i would say that it is a good thing, to maintain the copyright, but the extra tiles shall stays as an free willing oppurtinity.
I don't see how the copyright can be maintained by BGG, when the rights are with HiG.  What does BGG's action has anything to do with HiG's copyrights?

Also, if HiG is strict about protecting its copyrights, they would probably have asked Gantry legally to remove all the custom tiles from this site, for instance, not to mention the numerous other sites out there.

However, I agree it is a good thing, because these fan-made sets are definately not "canon", and listing them would probably confuse players looking for infomation about the many (official) expansions and spin-offs for the game.

Edit: I reported the publisher of the 3 games as not being HiG and that the games were fan-made and unpublished.  I presume that contributed to those 3 listings being removed.  You can just click on the Submit Correction link for the game and it'll take you to a form.

Edit2: Perhaps the moderators can move this thread to the "general" forum as it is not really news...


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Deatheux on September 24, 2008, 06:37:45 pm
"and listing them would probably confuse players looking for infomation about the many (official) expansions and spin-offs for the game."

absolutely agreed with!










(so it takes all this road to make understood my point!!
i hope my accent is not too heavy!!)



Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Novelty on September 25, 2008, 03:48:15 am
Tip for you Deatheux (and for everyone else who might not know): You can use the "Quote" link to quote the entire post, then edit the post to only contain the quote you want in your post so that the quote shows up in a box in your post.

Well, BGG does have a policy of only listing published games and expansions.  Fan-made stuff are usually not listed there.  However, after this incident, I wonder if the guys approving the new game pages are even fans of Carcassonne... oh well, there's always this site!  Maybe I will create a Variants guide or something like that somewhere on these forums.



Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Gantry on September 25, 2008, 03:51:08 am
Well, BGG does have a policy of only listing published games and expansions.  Fan-made stuff are usually not listed there.  However, after this incident, I wonder if the guys approving the new game pages are even fans of Carcassonne... oh well, there's always this site!  Maybe I will create a Variants guide or something like that somewhere on these forums.

Or you could volunteer to get involved with this: clicky (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=54)  {hlp  :)


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Bixby on September 25, 2008, 09:33:34 am
In case folks were not aware of it, BGG Does have this section on their Wiki:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/List_of_unofficial_expansions_for_Carcassonne#



Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Scott on September 30, 2008, 11:43:33 am
I'm the original compiler of that wiki page. Took ages to go through every fan-made variant/expansion.


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Bixby on September 30, 2008, 12:53:45 pm
I'm the original compiler of that wiki page. Took ages to go through every fan-made variant/expansion.
In that case. Merit for you sir.


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: Wishmaster on October 01, 2008, 01:43:43 pm
I'm the original compiler of that wiki page. Took ages to go through every fan-made variant/expansion.

I was having a look at it last night - Thank-You!


Title: Re: I noticed these three expansions hit BoardGameGeek this morning
Post by: wellidesigns on October 10, 2008, 08:25:20 am
these are quite nice expansions ! i played all three of them already and like them !!!