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Title: City Quarter expansion Post by: Paulman on September 13, 2008, 01:01:03 am This is one of the German tile expansions. The tiles themselves match the original game tiles, but the colors are somewhat washed out.
My understanding is that fan expansions like this are permissible by Hans im Glück, at least in Germany. Quote Rules This expansion really plays well with the Cathedral city tiles and the Cathar expansion. You never know what will become of a city!Before play begins, set the four large city quarter tiles aside, and add the corresponding regular tiles to the play set. When a tile with a city symbol is drawn, the player plays the corresponding large tile in its place. The player may deploy a knight to the city if the city section is not yet claimed. The tile with the symbol is removed from play. In scoring, each Quarter tile counts as two regular city tiles. Each Quarter tile also has an impact on the value of other city tiles, as follows (these modifiers do not apply to the Quarter itself). Market Quarter (Ear of Wheat) The grain market is an important commercial center of the Market Quarter. When the city is scored, each regular city tile counts 1 point more. Garden Quarter (Rose) In the Restoration Period, interest in gardens created demand for columns, wells, trees, and flower beds—and a market arose to meet demand. When the city is scored, each regular city tile counts 1 point more. Noble Quarter (Coin) The Noble Quarter is home to the aristocracy. This quarter adds a lot of value to the host city. When the city is scored, each regular city tile counts 2 points more. Slum Quarter (Pistol) The poor of the city live in these ghettos, where illness and violence are the order of the day. The quarter is a blight upon the entire city; when the city is scored, each regular city tile counts 1 point less. With the cathedral in play, the value of the completed city can increase 4 or even 5 points per city tile. If more than one quarter is added to the city, calculate their combined contribution before applying them to the other city tiles. For example, a city with a Slum Quarter tile (-1 point for each regular tile) cancels out an adjacent Market Quarter tile (+1 point). They therefore have no impact on the scoring of the city. Title: Re: Stadtviertel (City Quarter) expansion Post by: Deatheux on September 13, 2008, 07:37:14 am is that really official??
Title: Re: Stadtviertel (City Quarter) expansion Post by: Joff on September 13, 2008, 08:09:05 am It is not an official expansion. It is a fan made expansion.
Title: Re: Stadtviertel (City Quarter) expansion Post by: Deatheux on September 13, 2008, 08:30:04 am ok, so nevermind, i will not waste money to raise funds of a wannabe...
in my own opinion, those "buy my crapp" posting shall be deleted, they are not posted to inform but to sell and promote *heresy, utopia & evil*, i'm against that form of marketing. the idea is not bad and shall be looked by hig or rgg. if it is custom tiles, it shall be free like the 100pts board or the tiles offered on the very site. Deatheux. Title: Re: Stadtviertel (City Quarter) expansion Post by: Deatheux on September 13, 2008, 08:36:42 am 7 euro, plus shipping... extorsion!!! :bh {s2 {no
Title: Re: Stadtviertel (City Quarter) expansion Post by: mjharper on September 13, 2008, 09:19:23 am My understanding is that fan expansions like this are permissible by Hans im Glück, at least in Germany. The official attitude of HiG is that fan expansions are fine, so long as they are free. Anyone who charges money is going to have trouble.Title: Re: Stadtviertel (City Quarter) expansion Post by: Paulman on September 13, 2008, 10:01:42 am The official attitude of HiG is that fan expansions are fine, so long as they are free. Anyone who charges money is going to have trouble. I take a dim view of people violating the rights of games publishers. If the sale of this expansion is not sanctioned by the publisher, I do not support it.However, I have read several indications that they are (here is the one I could find offhand): http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?lp=de_en&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcarcassonne-city.de&.intl=us I would also point out that since these have been sold on eBay for years, if trouble is coming it is taking its time. A few other notes: It isn't "my crapp" or "spam" and I'm not "marketing". If you like, I can post another review of a set that is no longer being sold. In the meantime, I have deleted the links, the photo, the German name of the set, and the name of the maker to make it more difficult for interested parties to learn more about it. Since I do not wish to put a foot wrong with you fine folks or Hans im Glück, please provide a link to Hans im Glück's "official attitude" regarding the sale of pressed tiles in Germany. I would welcome correction on this point. Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Joff on September 13, 2008, 10:56:23 am Theres no need to delete the links. You are not putting a foot wrong at all :)
These have indeed been sold on eBay for quite some time and I believe (although could be wrong) that HiG is aware of them, although they are not official expansions. Some of the ideas are good ideas. I do like 'The Plague' (Black Death) in this series, although the rules do require 'tweaking' so to speak. The tiles in these fan expansions are nowhere near as good as official tiles, but 7 Euros plus shipping is really not that bad, considering the cost of ink these days, the making up of the tiles and the laminating of the rules (yes, the rules do come laminated, for some reason :)) Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: mjharper on September 13, 2008, 11:06:01 am I though I had an email from HiG regarding fan expansions, but I can't find it. I know I wrote to them before, but maybe the mail got deleted. If you're definitely need to know, best to write and ask HiG yourself.
Btw, I don't think you're spamming. But I'd be extremely suspicious of any fan expansions you have to pay for. Many of the offers on eBay are just people collecting freely-available expansions and then selling them on: Dieter Rausch of www.carcassonne-welt.de described just such an occurrence here (http://www.carcassonne-welt.de/copyright.php). (German) Certainly there are eBay auctions for these things. But that doesn't mean they're legitimate. Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Joff on September 13, 2008, 11:19:38 am I am aware that some of the expansions cropping up on eBay are freely available elsewhere. But, if one does not have the ability to print and make your own tiles, then paying for the priviledge of someone else making them for you isn't too bad.
As long as would be buyers are aware that they are not official expansions and no claim is made that they are official, then you pay your money for somebody else making the tiles up for you. However, I know from experience that I can produce a much more realistic looking tile that those I can purchase on eBay, so I would rather make my own than pay someone else to do it for me :) Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Paulman on September 13, 2008, 01:21:00 pm It's definitely worth doing your homework before buying printed tiles, yes. There was a spate of auctions a few years ago of people selling printed tiles based on other peoples' fan designs, but these got shut down.
This tile set, and most of the others offered on eBay.de, are original designs you won't (shouldn't) find elsewhere, and (according to my understanding) sold with the blessings of HiG (in German only). This last point is supported by the assumption that HiG would have VEROed offending sellers into oblivion by now (it's free), and that none of these expansions have been offered except on eBay.de. But again, if there is evidence to the contrary, I welcome it. Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Deatheux on September 13, 2008, 09:58:04 pm Pardon the interruption, may just don't care about all of this???
Enjoy RGG Csarcassonne!!!! Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Paulman on September 13, 2008, 10:24:30 pm Okay, I got it. I'm done here. Enjoy the stew.
Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Deatheux on September 14, 2008, 09:44:09 am Okay, I got it. I'm done here. Enjoy the stew. do this will give me merit point or sanction?? :-\ ;D Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Joff on September 14, 2008, 10:27:30 am do this will give me merit point or sanction?? :-\ ;D ??? Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Deatheux on September 14, 2008, 10:29:03 am lol!, just joking!
Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Tobias on September 14, 2008, 03:08:54 pm Okay, I got it. I'm done here. Enjoy the stew. do this will give me merit point or sanction?? :-\ ;D No. It will not. Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Deatheux on September 14, 2008, 08:48:01 pm phew, it was a near banned shot, glad to stay!
but this communauty shall be more strict to those escrot... Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: canada steve on September 16, 2008, 12:05:34 pm Deatheux would you please refrain from being rude to people on here. The guest was not rude in any way and you were. He was asking genuine questions and seeking clarification about what he was doing, which is something this site is for. If you feel strongly about something then take it off-line and PM the person or if you must do it online then make a constructive posting not one that is rude and attacking as that will dissuade future comment and interaction from others. Yes you are entitled to your opinion but please express it succinctly on here.
Thank you Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Deatheux on September 16, 2008, 04:34:56 pm he was selling, promote stuff to raise his own funds, i was not rude, just cute!
Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Novelty on September 16, 2008, 11:47:40 pm Deatheux would you please refrain from being rude to people on here. I agree with all Canada Steve said above. A few other notes: It isn't "my crapp" or "spam" and I'm not "marketing". If you like, I can post another review of a set that is no longer being sold. He was just letting us know of a fan made expansion (perhaps at the wrong place) and was accused of all sorts of things. Sadly, we have probably lost a poster. Deatheux, I implore you to try to be more diplomatic in future. Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: canada steve on September 17, 2008, 01:02:36 pm Deatheux, I know you are one of our younger members so will cut you some slack on this. Being cute means being funny not attacking someone and driving away a potential resource for the forum.
If you do persist in this line of posting then I will be watching carefully what you put up and will delet items that I feel are detrimental to the good of the forum. This goes for all of us on here not just you. Keep it friendly, but yes do debate as that raises good outcomes sometimes. Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Deatheux on September 17, 2008, 04:50:44 pm shall we all cry for this???
i won't. so if i being harsh or hostile, so what... if he wants to prove me wrong he just have to DO IT! not leave like he does. can we concentrate ourselves on the real thing, THE NEW CARC EXPANSIONS AND RULING, not junk home made by some others. cheers!! Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Joff on September 17, 2008, 06:11:01 pm in my own opinion, those "buy my crapp" posting shall be deleted, they are not posted to inform but to sell and promote sh!t, i'm against that form of marketing. It is postings such as this one that actually offend me (offending part marked in red). I would not want my children to view a forum that has to use words such as this (albeit in a disguised form) to get their point across. It is unnecessary and counter-productive. shall we all cry for this??? i won't. so if i being harsh or hostile, so what... if he wants to prove me wrong he just have to DO IT! so what??? I hope I don't belong to a forum where being harsh and hostile towards guests is tolerated! I enjoy visiting here every day to join in the debates/discussions etc. It is my first port of call when I turn the computer on (...I know, I must get out more!!! :)) I enjoy this place and I want to continue to be a part of it. I have made some good online friends here. There are simple rules of common courtesy that are usually present on any public forum and I believe that this forum is one of them. If you check back through his posting he did not actually try to sell. He might well be the seller (or acting on the behalf of the seller) who knows? And, he may have posted a link to these expansions. One of the merits of the forum is to properly discuss and inform others that these are not 'official' expansions as we know them. Moderators have the power to remove offending posts, links etc if they see such as marketing ploys. Paulman also edited his post and removed any links to the items as soon as there was a hint of the posting not being liked. can we concentrate ourselves on the real thing, THE NEW CARC EXPANSIONS AND RULING, not junk home made by some others. Actually, some of this stuff is quite inventive and plays well as variants. Ok, so you don't like to pay for someone making up the tiles for you. Fine. You are entitled not to buy them :) Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Deatheux on September 17, 2008, 07:10:53 pm the *red* wording have been modified, i know, in english this word is bad...
i enjoy this site as well as you do, i just hope that it stays a forum for educate and inform our members about the actual game. i will be maybe more, docile and polite, as well, but i still think this is not the place to promote *capitain flame* stuff but to keep the interest where it belong. Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Novelty on September 17, 2008, 11:46:46 pm I believe that this site is for all versions of Carcassonne, official, unofficial, expansions and spin-offs. Please do correct me if I am wrong. I feel that we should be able to discuss anything carcassonne, even someone marketing their self-made variants, without resorting to insults, rudeness, personal attacks, unacceptable language, etc.
Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Tobias on September 18, 2008, 09:26:04 am I believe that this site is for all versions of Carcassonne, official, unofficial, expansions and spin-offs. Please do correct me if I am wrong. I feel that we should be able to discuss anything carcassonne, even someone marketing their self-made variants, without resorting to insults, rudeness, personal attacks, unacceptable language, etc. This forum is what Gantry and Matt say it is, no more - no less. As owners they have exclusive right to include or exclude whatever they see fit. I do - however - interpret their intentions as being in line with what you wrote :) the *red* wording have been modified, i know, in english this word is bad... i enjoy this site as well as you do, i just hope that it stays a forum for educate and inform our members about the actual game. i will be maybe more, docile and polite, as well, but i still think this is not the place to promote *capitain flame* stuff but to keep the interest where it belong. Personally I do not care about the odd curse word - those words exist for a reason and I believe that if parents do not want their children to read them (for whatever reason) it is their responsibility. But: this forum is not mine, so we will all have to follow the rules set out in this post: http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=16.0 You might want to carefully read #3 on that list. In short: Everything Carcassonne should be okay to discuss here - not only to educate, but also to promote variants etc. Quite a lot of people make variants, own tiles etc and if you want to buy premade tiles - you are free to do so. You are also free to decline the offer. In my opinion Paulman did nothing wrong when he posted this, and I trust that Matt or Gantry would have removed the thread had they thought him breaking any rule. Nota Bene that these are my own opinions, and does not necessarily reflect the opinions carried by the forum owners, though I am sure they will tell me if they do not! /Tobias - Moderator Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Deatheux on September 18, 2008, 06:54:11 pm i take the blame, and don't really care.
sorry to be rude or some whatever, if this site is open to serve propaganda, why we do not open a SELLING POST with ebay link and everythig, that way we can view all the possibilities of the carc world, and promote unofficial stuff, and the good fellas like paulman can propose us the flavour of the week in products. may i propose to sell some of my own stuff??, i got many games that the world wolud be winning to know. i got another idea, why we do not pass through another point, i think that this point is ripped off, and walked dry. this is the last post i'm addind to this topic. cheers! btw Cult War & Creativity, is it available??? Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: canada steve on September 19, 2008, 11:02:07 am ????????????????????????? ??? ??? ??? In English please Deatheux... ;D
Title: Re: City Quarter expansion Post by: Gantry on September 25, 2008, 02:32:06 am I have banned Deatheux from posting for a period of 2 weeks for his disrespectful posts. If he attempts to evade the ban or continue once he returns, he will be banned permanently.
I apologize to Paulman on behalf of Carcassonne Central for having to put up with this member's behaviour, it is definitely not tolerated in our community. Thank you for taking enough interest to post your initial informative post, and I hope you consider coming back. |