The Pope of Avignon

[Novelty]

That looks a lot better, all my questions are answered.  However, the text justification seems to be lost again for the new lines in Preparation and Required expansions.  There's also a space/line missing between footnotes 2 & 3.

I've resized the tiles a bit based on an image I got from wicke regarding the "black lines".  wicke, can you print this out and let me know if it is better please?  Thanks.

[Joff]

That looks a lot better, all my questions are answered.  However, the text justification seems to be lost again for the new lines in Preparation and Required expansions.  There's also a space/line missing between footnotes 2 & 3.
this out and let me know if it is better please?  Thanks.

Fixed! Links are the same.

[wicke]

Excellent, the tiles are perfect now.
I will try and look at the latest comments to Valois and Pope later today, but most likely it will be next year.

Cheers

[Novelty]

Another satisfied customer.  I will go and update all my tiles just for wicke

Edit: Next year...

[wicke]

OK, Joff (and Novelty), I'll go along with all your suggestions.
Although I have some comments:
1. in extra pieces (or in preparation), let's show the Avignon City tile with river segment as well
2. footnote 3 (answer), should say 'compete' not 'complete'
3. footnote 10, let's show the CFFF tile from Catapult, as well

Thanks for spending time on this, maybe this soon will become a finalized variant.
Happy New Year

[Joff]

2. footnote 3 (answer), should say 'compete' not 'complete'

Well spotted

[Joff]

Another update:
Pope 0.6

I did notice a slight problem which I have not corrected. I suggested a 1 point bonus to the player who lays the Avignon city tile. This works if the player draws the tile and lays it, but this would not be the case if the river tile was being used, as that would (I assume) be the starting tile. I suppose just a reference that if the rive Avignon city tile was being used no player gets the 1 point bonus, as this would be the starting tile and was not laid by any player.

[wicke]

Joff, sorry but sometimes it's difficult to realize that some things can be misinterpreted.
When I wanted a Avignon City tile with river segment it was only to be played together with the Fishermen expansion.
As it says in the first line of Preparation: "The Avignon City tile is mixed in with the other land tiles."
Not, as you wrote in footnote 1, but that's my fault, I hadn't been clear enough on that.
So, I guess that makes Pope 0.7, with just a rewrite of footnote 1 mentioning the fan-made Fishermen expansion. So the 1-point bonus still works.

Cheers
.../Wicke

[Joff]

Ok, no problem. I will amend and update.


Edit: It would work also if you used the Avignon River tile to replace the normal River spring tile anyway but without the scoring bonus

[wicke]

OK, you can add your edit as well then to the footnote, but in that case I would like you to mention that as just being a "house-rule".

[Joff]

This is the footnote that I have added:

"The Avignon City tile with the river segment is used when playing the fan-made Fishermen expansion. If using the tile with the fan-made Fishermen expansion, the Avignon City tile with a river segment is mixed in with the other tiles. However, the Avignon City tile with the river segment could also be used to replace the normal spring tile from River/River II. If you choose to do this, the tile becomes the starting tile and the Pope is deployed to this tile before any other tiles are laid. No player receives a bonus point for placing the Pope. It should be noted that the official way of playing the Avignon City tile with the river segment is with the fan-made Fishermen expansion and not with River/River II, and so using the tile with River/River II is considered a house-rule."

[wicke]

Sounds allright to me, but some might think there are too much repetition but it might be the only way to avoid misinterpretations.
Will you upload this version (0.7) later then, thanks
.../Wicke

[Joff]

I have obtained wicke's blessing to finish off his expansions.

Therefore, here is another update:
Pope 0.7

Comments are welcome.

I know that examples are required. Let me know where examples might be necessary.

[Novelty]

Well, I was going to say that the rules looked better now, but...

Comment: Text justification lost in the footnotes...

Rephrasing:
There are no required expansions for playing The Pope of Avignon,. hHowever, it is suggested that this expansion be played together with a copy of either The Cathars, The Siege or The Catapult, or a combination of these expansions, as this are optional and will contribute greatly to this expansion the gameplay. You may also play this expansion with both The Cathars and The Siege expansions.

Rephrasing:
The player can place the Avignon City tile and connect it to another city that is already is occupied by a follower.4

Comment: Shouldn't the paragraph that starts with "The Pope remains in play..." be at the end of the scoring section?

Rephrasing:
A completed city that contains the Pope on one of its city segments gives scores an additional point to for every tile making up in the completed city.  This is in addition to the points scored by the , even if the city contains a cathedral.8,9 Once After scoreding, the Pope is redeployed by the player who completed the city (by laying the last tile) to any incomplete city that the player chooses.

Comment: In the above text, does the city segment that the pope is redeployed to have to be empty?  A footnote might be required eitherway for clarification.

Comment: I don't think a scoring example is required here since this is rather straightforward.

Observation: Also, it would be nice to say in the footnotes that both the avignon tiles can be used as a houserule (since the door was already opened about houserules in the first footnote) and then go on to spell out how what changes would be required for playing with both Avignon tiles.  However, this isn't necessary, but it would enhance the rules a bit more.

Comment: The current way the "Forcing the pope to another city" section is written, it is perfectly legal to force the pope from one city tile to another city tile within the same city.  The title of the section and the text of the section does not match.

Comment: The rules does not state when the Pope is forced to another city:
a) is this a MTW action?
b) If the city is completed by the Cathar/Siege tile, is it scored first or is the Pope moved first?

Rephrasing (in its entirety) Footnote 11:
A completed city with the Pope will still score an extra point for every tile in the completed city.  However, the Pope cannot be moved to another city and is returned to the side of the playing area after the city is scored.  The only way that the Pope can be moved if these expansions are not being played with is with a tile from the Catapult expansion.  This tile (shown to the right) when connected to a city that contains the Pope, will force the Pope to move to another city.

Question for Joff: How does the Pope interact with the Jousting Tournament scoring?

Sorry Joff, it still needs a bit more work.

Edit: Did you define MTW anywhere in there Joff?

[Joff]

Sorry Joff, it still needs a bit more work.

That's fine... I agree that it still needs plenty of work!

Edit: Did you define MTW anywhere in there Joff?

I thought I had done so at the same time as Valois and Kids, but, now I look at it, MTW is not really clearly defined as it is in the others. I usually add a seperate footnote describing MTW. I will add it to the next update..