The Jester and the Minstrel

[Joff]

I am liking the rules a lot more, but I am not sure about the "move to any other space" rule if both figures are fighting for the attention of a follower.  I somehow feel that it is too vague, or perhaps too dangerous, to allow the active player to move both of the figures to any other tile. Perhaps moving one of them would work better because if they keep ending up next to each other (by necessity, chance, or intent), then the active player can always move them to benefit himself the most. I say, let the active player choose which figure to move, but they can only move one, not both.

That might well be a good idea. I'll have a think about it

[Lardarse]

You could just simply say that they cancel each other out...

[Joff]

New update to these rules: 0.7 draft rules

This is nearing completion now. Any further comments before I wrap this up?

[mathguy89]

I'm curious to know if the jester and/or the minstrel can share the same space as the dragon.  I would imagine that they could, otherwise one would have to use a different starting set-up when using the lake with the volcano tile while using P&D.  Maybe just a clarification for that is needed.

[Joff]

Yes they can. I will add a clarification on the next update.

[Joff]

I'm curious to know if the jester and/or the minstrel can share the same space as the dragon.  I would imagine that they could, otherwise one would have to use a different starting set-up when using the lake with the volcano tile while using P&D.  Maybe just a clarification for that is needed.

I have added this to footnote 4, which refers to the River starting position. I did mention that the Jester and Minstrel could share the same tile as the Dragon in the final section entitled 'Other Rules'. I thought I had done, but only found it this morning!

Anyway, a new update: 0.8 draft rules

If there are no more comments, I will finalise in the next couple of days.

[wicke]

I just got the Catapult a few days ago, and will give it away to the rest of my family (my two sons, my girlfriend and her two children) as a Christmas present.

I read through the rules and I thought (like many of you seem to think) that it seems like a total waste of time and effort to use the catapult at all.
BUT I do like the new tiles with the fair symbol so I will check out Joff's Jester variant and was also wondering if there are more ideas than his out there as well.
Are there any good ideas in using those catapult tokens as well?

Also, is there a possibility to get hold of those special followers or do I have to buy those other versions of Carcassone ? The city and The discovery and so on.
How many different special followers are there in the other Carcassone games (I have all expansions to Carc but NONE of those other Carc games).

And Joff, are your variant finished now, will 0.8 be the final version. Is there any point in reading through the older versions, or should I just focus on 0.8.

Cheers
.../Patrik

[Joff]

Focus on version 0.8. I very much doubt that it will roll back to an earlier version. It is more than likely that this will be the final released version.

The supplier I use from Germany has pieces from Carcassonne:The City and Carcassonne: The Discovery on his eBay site at present. Check out this thread: http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=433.0

[wicke]

Thanks for the quick reply, I have sent an email to germany.

I will check out your Jester variant and write down swedish rules for it so I can present that on Christmas Eve together with The Catapult.
Do you have any good ideas of using the catapult tokens as well ?

PS. I usually play yellow as well

[wicke]

Joff, how come the wagon is mentioned twice in the same sentence in the second paragraph in both "The Jester's penalty" (a wagon has no strength) and "The Minstrel's bonus" (a wagon has the strength of two) on page 4.

I will read through the rules again later, but after the first read-through, the bonus and penalty only occurs when scoring is done while the Jester and Minstrel are in the attention, correct ?
In other words the bonus/penalty will only take place if scoring is done before the Jester/Minstrel are moved away, by the placing of yet another fair tile.

The rules sounds nice enough though, certainly much better than the catapult rules.
Thanks
.../Patrik

[Whaleyland]

I've been working on a variant here: http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=568.0, but it is by no means finalized or anything.

[Joff]

Joff, how come the wagon is mentioned twice in the same sentence in the second paragraph in both "The Jester's penalty" (a wagon has no strength) and "The Minstrel's bonus" (a wagon has the strength of two) on page 4.

Well spotted. Corrected in the next release.

I will read through the rules again later, but after the first read-through, the bonus and penalty only occurs when scoring is done while the Jester and Minstrel are in the attention, correct ?
In other words the bonus/penalty will only take place if scoring is done before the Jester/Minstrel are moved away, by the placing of yet another fair tile.

That is correct. It is the scoring of features that is affected. A fair tile 'triggers' their movement.

[Joff]

Incorporating wicke's comments: 0.9 draft rules

[wicke]

Joff, I would like to send you an email regarding different meeples from the "other" Carc games.
I have tried to go through boardgamegeek to find all but I am not sure.
But your email address was hidden, so I was wondering if you can send me an email: wicke64@hotmail.com,
and then I can send you my word document with pictures of the meeples and some questions.
Is that OK ?
.../Patrik

[Gantry]

Joff, I would like to send you an email regarding different meeples from the "other" Carc games.
I have tried to go through boardgamegeek to find all but I am not sure.
But your email address was hidden, so I was wondering if you can send me an email: wicke64@hotmail.com,
and then I can send you my word document with pictures of the meeples and some questions.
Is that OK ?
.../Patrik

Patrik, in the left sidebar next to someone's post, there are contact icons.  If email isn't there, you can also use this forum's PM function to send a private message (it's the one that looks like a thought balloon).