Lord of the Manor (formerly Castles)

[Joff]

The document says,"The new land tiles are placed in the usual way. You may not place more than one castle in the same city or farm."

This does not impose a sanction that multiple Castles cannot be joined in a city or farm at all, just the initial placement of the Castle cannot connect to another Castle.

If you cannot connect the Castles together through tile placement, the the tiles cannot be played in the usual way.

If you can connect them together, through clever tile laying, what happens if there is more than one Castle in a city or farm?

[Scott]

Fixed all the issues identified:
http://www.mediafire.com/?oijyid4qwz2

I'm sticking with the eating metaphors because Matt uses them in the footnotes of the CAR. I changed other terminology to match the rules portion of the CAR as much as possible, but now I'm concerned it makes the rules for this expansion more difficult to understand. Time will tell.

[Novelty]

I think you can retain the feeding metaphors.  You still need to mention what does it mean in terms of game actions though.  Otherwise the feeding metaphors have no meaning.

[Scott]

How's this?
http://www.mediafire.com/?ndiwnty21o2

I don't think I can make it any more clear than that.

[Novelty]

I still don't think it's very clear.

"save his follower from being removed".  Does that mean "prevent his follower from being removed." or using uncommon words, "in lieu of removing the follower on top of the tower"?

"his follower is eaten by the dragon as usual." Does that mean the follower is removed from play as per the P&D rules?

Well, I'm trying to help you improve it especially for people like me where English isn't our native tongue.  If it's not welcomed, then tell me to buzz off and I'll do so

[Scott]

Another update:
http://www.mediafire.com/?dy5oezzngty

I'm just feeling a little frustrated because the rules made sense to me the way I wrote them, but if the meaning is not entirely clear then it's worth changing. It's definitely helpful to me when you give examples of how to clarify, rather than just saying it's not clear enough, because then I know how to word it such that it is clear to you.

[Joff]

Just FYI, Kevin Graham already has a Carc variant called Castles. I don't think it matters too much, but I post for your consideration.

Edit: Perhaps a name change? I mentioned on another thread about using 'Lord of the Manor'. Just a thought.

[Novelty]

It's always frustrating to write rules, because one has to make sure that they are understood by everyone else and that's not easy because you aren't everyone else...

[Scott]

Just FYI, Kevin Graham already has a Carc variant called Castles. I don't think it matters too much, but I post for your consideration.

Edit: Perhaps a name change? I mentioned on another thread about using 'Lord of the Manor'. Just a thought.

 

Done:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ljetkzkmoyz

[Novelty]

Well, fiefs work for their Liege Lord...

[Scott]

I hope I don't regret posting this now:
http://www.mediafire.com/?yz1xm2zjmyw

[Joff]

Thats not bad, Scott.

[Novelty]

Some more nitpicks (sorry Scott):

"A follower may be deployed to a castle tile as a baron"
Does that mean I can also deploy a follower to a castle tile as something else?
Why is the word "tile" (bolded by me) used there, when it's not used previously in the preceding paragraph after castle?  Can you deploy a follower to the farm or city bits outside the castle as a baron?  Or is the word tile not supposed to be there?
Does the baron (inside the castle) count for majority of the city or farm?  Does the baron outside the castle (but still on the tile) count for majority?

"The followers in the surrounding city or farm become serfs to the baron."
So if I have a thief on a road next to the city or farm, they become serfs to the baron as well?  Do you mean, the followers in the same city or farm as the castle instead?

I don't see anywhere in the rules whether the baron is considered to be "in" the city or farm or not.  This is essential for other expansions such as Joff's Order of Chivalry and Jousting Tournament.  It will probably have an impact on the Archery Tournament expansion as well.

How are the total points for the cities and the farms still determined?  There's no statement saying that it remains unchanged, or that it is the same as normal.  And examples should be given in text form (e.g. city with 2 pennants score x for baron and y for serfs) if you can't do the picture form - it will make it more clear.

Question: Does a barn remove serfs from play?  Does it remove the baron inside a castle?  Does it remove a baron outside a castle (but on the castle tile)?
Question: Can the dragon move to a farm or a city containing a castle?
Question: If a tower is on a farm/city that has a baron, does the baron also protects the meeple on top of the tower?
Question: Does the baron prevent builders/pigs/wagons/mayors from being removed by the dragon/tower?

[Scott]

 

http://www.mediafire.com/?mnmjojmnoji

I feel the need to nitpick your nitpicks.

Does that mean I can also deploy a follower to a castle tile as something else?
Why is the word "tile" (bolded by me) used there, when it's not used previously in the preceding paragraph after castle?  Can you deploy a follower to the farm or city bits outside the castle as a baron?  Or is the word tile not supposed to be there?
Does the baron (inside the castle) count for majority of the city or farm?  Does the baron outside the castle (but still on the tile) count for majority?

I used the word tile because it is a tile, but since it confuses you I took it out. A baron is only a baron if he is inside the castle, so I'm not writing anything about barons outside castles.

"The followers in the surrounding city or farm become serfs to the baron."
So if I have a thief on a road next to the city or farm, they become serfs to the baron as well?  Do you mean, the followers in the same city or farm as the castle instead?

I'm not sure why someone would think that a thief on a road could become a serf, since roads are not part of cities or farms. I used the word surrounding in terms of the city or farm that surrounds the castle, but since that confused you I took it out.

How are the total points for the cities and the farms still determined?  There's no statement saying that it remains unchanged, or that it is the same as normal.  And examples should be given in text form (e.g. city with 2 pennants score x for baron and y for serfs) if you can't do the picture form - it will make it more clear.

Wouldn't people expect it to be unchanged unless a statement is made that scoring is changed? I added a footnote to explicitly state that scoring is as usual, and I put some scoring examples towards the end.

[Novelty]

  I'm only trying to make it better.  Would you prefer it coming from me (where you can understand what I'm talking about) or from some other member where you won't be able to understand their English?

And it looks good now!