New rule for volcanos

[dwhitworth]

The CAR rule for volcano tiles now says

"A player who places a volcano tile must immediately move the dragon to this tile from its current location. The player may not deploy a follower to the tile, but may —according to the usual rules—deploy a builder or a pig, or move the fairy. At no point may followers occupy the same tile as the dragon."

The footnote (97) explains that this is a major rule change.

Questions:

1. Can the Barn be placed (partially) on a volcano tile (when the tile is placed) if it meets the Barn placing requirements? It is not a Follower.
2. Can the player opt to place a follower on a tower in that turn? This is an alternative to placing a follower but the new rule says the follower may not be deployed to the tile. The old rules said no follower deployment at all)
3. Can the player opt to place a tower block on that turn? (Seems no different than choosing to move the fairy as it is not related to a follower except in so much as one can do it instead of deploying a follower - but that is true of the the fairy move too.)

[mjharper]

I'd say 'Yes' to all three.

But I haven't had any coffee yet (which is the time in the day that I don't see things clearly…)

[Scott]

I also say yes to all three, and in those cases, the player would not draw another tile.

[dwhitworth]

Thanks for the clarification.
@Scott I assume your reference to drawing another tile refers to the River volcano?

I agree that these moves are not forbidden by the rule as stated and that allowing them makes sense.

My confusion comes from the FAQ and one of the lines in John Sweeney's sequence of turn where he says:
"If the tile placed is a volcano then the Dragon must be placed on it, this ends this step" (step = all deployment)

Also from the FAQ:
Question: May a player move the fairy when he or she places a volcano tile?
Answer: No! To move the fairy a player has to relinquish the deployment of one of his or her own followers; since in this case no follower may be deployed, the fairy cannot be moved either.

I realize that the FAQ is now outdated, but at least in John's case it seems that this was also interpreted to mean that no other "instead of" moves could be made (tower, meeple on tower).

Having compromised in the case of the fairy it makes sense that the other deployments (from other expansions!) are allowed.

I am trying to get these niggly items cleared up in my own mind as I draft my version of the sequence of turn. I will use assume that the deployment of barns and towers is OK. But this might merit a footnote in some future version of the CAR to the effect that barn and tower deployments are allowed - as well as the fairy.

[Scott]

Hmm... I had this crazy idea that one would always draw a second tile after a volcano, but checking the rules I see that isn't the case.

If you move the fairy, you may not deploy a builder, pig, barn, tower piece, etc.

[mjharper]

Hmm... I had this crazy idea that one would always draw a second tile after a volcano, but checking the rules I see that isn't the case.

You're probably thinking of the volcano on the lake tile from The River II; with that one you do draw a second tile.

[mjharper]

@dwithworth

In the old rules, that was indeed the case. But the new rules specifically say that "The player may not deploy a follower to the tile, but may—according to the usual rules—deploy a builder or a pig, or move the fairy."

I asked about the builder & pig thing—how can a pig be deployed to a tile with the dragon? Wouldn't it get eaten? And the answer was 'Yes, it would, but we're just trying to anticipate future developments.'

So the key thing here is that only followers cannot be deployed to the tile. Special figures and neutral figures are fine—at least, in so far as they can be deployed and moved to other tiles.

[rbilabronze]

@dwithworth

In the old rules, that was indeed the case. But the new rules specifically say that "The player may not deploy a follower to the tile, but may—according to the usual rules—deploy a builder or a pig, or move the fairy."

I asked about the builder & pig thing—how can a pig be deployed to a tile with the dragon? Wouldn't it get eaten? And the answer was 'Yes, it would, but we're just trying to anticipate future developments.'

So the key thing here is that only followers cannot be deployed to the tile. Special figures and neutral figures are fine—at least, in so far as they can be deployed and moved to other tiles.

Hi, I had a quick question about the above.  I was trying to get clarification whether it was still the case that if you place a builder or pig to the volcano tile it would immediately get eaten?  This seems like it was superceded (or interpreted differently) by the footnote in the CAR that suggests that the dragon can only eat once it is moved to a tile upon playing a dragon tile and that the pig/builder could be deployed right under the dragon's nose on a volcano tile and not get eaten (unless dragon later returned to that tile)?  Thanks in advance for any clarification.

[Novelty]

The CAR and mjharper is correct, the pig and the builder can be placed under the nose of the dragon and not get eaten if you are playing with HiG rules[/url].  RGG rules, according to the big box, is different and says a pig or a builder cannot be played to the volcano as stated in the footnote in the latest CAR (page 36).  I would suggest going with HiG rules