Title: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on December 30, 2008, 07:25:03 pm I stopped by a hardware store on the way home today and bought a digital caliper on sale. Twice someone has asked about the size of tiles, and now I can give an exact answer. For posterity, I'll also measure wooden pieces.
EDIT: I've now also purchased a digital pocket scale to measure the mass of the meeples and other parts. Digital caliper Precision: 0.01mm Limit: 150.00mm Digital scale Precision: 0.01g Limit: 100g Original Carcassonne and expansions Tiles: 45.00mm long x 45.00mm wide x 2.05mm thick (thickness varies between expansions from 1.92mm to 2.05mm) - 2.81g Scoring track: 259.2mm long x 178.2mm wide x 2.04mm thick (length and width are too large to caliper) - approx 65g (too large to weigh on digital scale; had to use a manual suspension hand scale) Trade good: 20.25mm wide x 20.80mm tall x 2.05mm thick - 0.47g Tower: 118.42mm wide x 66.12mm deep x 228mm tall (too tall to measure with caliper) - (too heavy; need a larger capacity scale) Knock out token: 24.85mm wide x 19.97mm tall x 1.95mm thick - 0.64g Seduction token: 22.05mm wide x 21.86mm tall x 1.95mm thick - 0.62g Target hurling token: 24.13mm diameter x 1.96mm thick - 0.62g Catch token: 19.14mm diameter x 1.95mm thick - 0.40g Measuring board: 205.3mm long x 56.34mm tall x 1.93mm thick (length was approximated; too long to caliper) - 10.51g (measurement markings from 0 to 20 cm were verified accurate against my tape measure) Tile bag (T&B): 205mm wide x 264mm tall - 14.07g Bridge: 45.63mm long x 24.37mm tall x 10.27mm wide - 4.77g Castle: 36.40mm wide x 29.68mm tall x 2.20mm thick - 1.22g Regular meeple: 16mm wide x 15.98mm tall x 9.94mm thick - 1.26g Big meeple: 18.50mm wide x 19.28mm tall x 9.88mm thick - 1.70g Builder: 14.29mm wide x 20.52mm tall x 9.80mm thick - 1.21g Pig: 22.11mm long x 11.15mm tall x 8.01mm thick - 0.84g Count: 19.40mm wide x 29.02mm tall x 10.99mm thick - 2.85g Fairy: 10.62mm x 18.05mm tall x 10.11mm thick - 0.92g Dragon: 52.80mm long x 24.88mm tall x 12.03mm thick - 6.18g Tower: 18.01mm long x 17.13mm wide x 10.84mm tall - 1.80g Mayor: 18.86mm wide x 18.70mm tall x 10.15mm thick - 1.48g Wagon: 20.33mm long x 10.08mm tall x 10.12mm thick/wide - 1.22g Barn: 19.44mm wide x 18.86m long x 15.07mm tall - 2.56g Catapult: 257mm long x 54mm tall x 22.86mm wide (too long for caliper, and height cannot be calipered due to flexibility) - 29.81g Pig from Wheel of Fortune: 25.71mm long x 13.66mm tall x 10.12mm thick - 1.91g Carcassonne: The Castle Castle tiles: 44.88mm wide x 44.92mm long x 2.03mm thick - 2.81g Wall tiles: 24.85mm wide x 25.99mm long x 2.00mm thick - 0.88g Follower: 14.98mm wide x 18.10mm tall x 10.24mm thick - 1.24g Keep: 13.20mm wide x 20.08mm tall x 10.04mm thick - 1.17g The Ark of the Covenant Scoring track: 258.8mm long x 179.1mm wide x 2.04mm thick - approx 60g (too large to weigh on digital scale; had to use a manual suspension hand scale) Tiles: 43.86mm wide x 44.68 long x 2.11mm thick - 3.20g Follower: 15.88mm wide x 15.22mm tall x 10.01mm thick - 1.16g Prophet: 19.67mm wide x 19.48mm tall x 10.21mm thick - 1.76g Wooden ark: 42.33mm long x 22.20mm wide x 15.79mm tall - 4.03g New World Scoring track: 449mm long x 18.0mm wide x 2.17mm thick - approx 95g (too large to measure with caliper and too heavy to weight on digital scale) Tiles: 44.84mm wide x 44.94mm tall x 2.17mm thick - 2.92g Settler: 13.23mm wide x 18.28mm tall x 10.08mm thick - 1.05g Surveyor: 17.71mm wide x 20.89mm tall x 10.28mm thick - 1.76g Carcassonne: The City Long wall: 43.69mm long x 14.93mm tall x 8.91mm thick - 3.50g Short wall: 34.44mm long x 15.07mm tall x 9.00mm thick - 2.93g Tower: 15.53mm diameter x 33.87mm tall - 2.89g Meeple: 15.98mm wide x 16.24mm tall x 9.93mm thick - 1.12g 10th Anniversary Edition Scoring Track: 220mm* wide x 220mm* tall x 1.83mm thick - 40.88g Tiles: 45.08mm wide x 45.08mm tall x 1.89mm thick - 2.70g Meeples: 15.82mm wide x 15.85mm tall x 7.98mm thick - 1.43g Box: 233mm* wide x 233mm* tall x 65.10mm thick (I don't normally measure the box, but since it's meeple-shaped I thought somebody might be interested.) * Measured with a ruler; may not be exact. The Phantom Meeples: 15.82mm wide x 15.85mm tall x 7.98mm thick - 1.43g Box: 58.44mm wide x 58.82mm tall x 23.83mm thick - 23.15g (empty) Naturally I couldn't resist and had to buy one of each color of the box. The Dice Game Dice: 15.94mm x 15.68mm x 15.77mm - 5.25g Box: 110.00mm x 109.50mm x 41.61mm thick - 69.46g I triple-checked the caliper measurements on the dice and got the same numbers each time. You would expect dice to be perfectly square, but apparently not. The dice line up perfectly with each other regardless of orientation, so you can't really tell the difference just by looking at them. I wonder if this makes the catapult side more likely to occur? Those are the only ones I have at the moment, but I'll add more measurements as I purchase the games/expansions.
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Gantry on December 31, 2008, 03:36:51 am Interesting, thickness is close to this (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=320.0)
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: hester on January 19, 2009, 09:59:55 am Actually, tile thickness can vary considerably. I own two sets of the basic game, and if I put the cards from each set into one stack, one stack is a full two cards higher than the other! I also own two sets of River II, and even at just 12 cards those stacks come out at differents heights as well.
Very annoying when you want to make tuckboxes with an exact fit... >:( Hester P.S.: Color saturation and "glossyness" (is that a word?) can vary as well. Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Novelty on January 19, 2009, 09:07:53 pm Hester, do you have pictures that you can show?
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: hester on January 20, 2009, 09:55:35 am Sure do!
Actually I was wrong; for the basic sets, the difference comes to 3 (!) tiles, not just two. Here's an image of two stacks of 36 tiles each (=half the sets): (http://www.geocities.com/hester4418/carcassonne/stack-comparison_basicset.jpg) Here are two stacks of River II: (http://www.geocities.com/hester4418/carcassonne/stack-comparison_river2.jpg) To show the difference in color saturation, here's one tile from each of the basic sets, front and back: (http://www.geocities.com/hester4418/carcassonne/color-comparison.jpg) And finally I tried to capture the difference in light reflection. It took me several attempts, but I think you can see clearly that the tiles from one set are much shinier and have a different surface texture: (http://www.geocities.com/hester4418/carcassonne/reflection-comparison.jpg) They almost "feel" the same, though the one on the right is slightly smoother. I don't think you'd be able to tell them apart by touch when pulling them from a bag. My problem is that I got the second set cheap and intended to use it for making custom tiles, but now I can't decide which to keep. The nicer looking tiles are also the thinner ones and hence would be better suited for sticking something onto them without getting noticeably thicker that the rest... Novelty, if you'd like more or different pictures, just let me know of which tiles. Hester Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Novelty on January 20, 2009, 10:11:25 am Thanks for the pictures Hester, merit point for you :)
I know there are some differences between expansions, but have always thought it was because they were different expansions. I never realised that the same expansions could also have variations. That explains a lot about the scans. I wonder if it's because HiG and RGG (or Lautapelit and the other publishers) use different materials to print... Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: hester on January 20, 2009, 10:18:55 am Thank you, Novelty. :D
I guess it's just the normal print and production variations. The second set I got was much younger (by that time the rules had changed from 2 to 4 points for small cities), so probably each batch they produce can be a little different from the one before. Happens with other things, too. Hester Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Purity on January 20, 2009, 11:26:22 am well if i intend to make custom tiles, i would keep the ones which fit better in color to the custom-made tiles and would hope that these are the thicker ones ;-)
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on January 20, 2009, 08:58:28 pm @hester - This is very interesting, thanks!
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: hester on January 21, 2009, 09:51:47 am You're all welcome. :)
By now I think I'll keep the ones that look most like the other expansions I have, in terms of color saturation etc. Those would also be the thicker ones. The custom tiles will look different anyway, so at least the original ones should look as similar as possible. Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on February 20, 2009, 06:39:04 pm Added measurements for Catapult and AotC. Anything that couldn't be calipered (including things I skipped previously) were measured with a quality tape measure; something is better than nothing.
At work I had to do so calculations that involved weighing very light objects, so we had to use a gunpowder scale (precision of 0.1 grains; 1 pound = 7000 grains). Now I'm interested to weigh all the meeples; that will hopefully be a future project. Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on April 10, 2009, 09:19:22 am Purchased a digital scale two weeks ago and finally received it yesterday. I've now added the weight/mass of each component.
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Gantry on April 11, 2009, 03:14:43 pm Excellent starter material for the Carc wiki. I have decided to test Mediawiki (the same one that powers Wikipedia), and this type of data will go on it.
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on November 10, 2009, 08:17:41 pm Added measurements for New World and Wheel of Fortune.
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Kingbob on December 04, 2009, 05:55:08 pm Do you happen to have information on the size of The Children of Carcassonne tiles?
I know they are bigger than regular Carcassonne but by how much? Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on December 05, 2009, 05:01:53 pm I don't have that game, and it's low on my priority list. Anybody else want to supply measurements?
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: scotty13 on December 05, 2009, 06:56:45 pm They are 7 cm square or 2.75 inches.
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Kingbob on December 05, 2009, 08:23:00 pm Wow, that big huh? Thanks for the info.
I was just wondering because it would be cool to make a large game of the original Carcassonne by printing off images onto those tiles. It probably wouldn't be worth the money though since The Children of Carcassonne comes with 36 tiles and you need 72 for the base set of Carcassonne. Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on December 09, 2009, 07:21:28 pm Two sets of Children = one big Carc set ;D
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on April 24, 2011, 12:13:55 am The forum isn't letting me edit the original post, so I'll unfortunately have to provide additional information here. I picked up Bridges, Castles, and Bazaars yesterday, along with City v2. The batteries in my scale and my caliper were dead, so I had to pick up new ones today. Checked the scale using a 50g calibration weight, which gave a result of 50.08g. That means the following mass values may be approximately 0.08g too high. I don't have anything to check the caliper with, but I did reset it to zero a few times before doing any serious measurements.
Bridge: 45.63mm long x 24.37mm tall x 10.27mm wide - 4.77g Castle: 36.40mm wide x 29.68mm tall x 2.20mm thick - 1.22g Carcassonne: The City Long wall: 43.69mm long x 14.93mm tall x 8.91mm thick - 3.50g Short wall: 34.44mm long x 15.07mm tall x 9.00mm thick - 2.93g Tower: 15.53mm diameter x 33.87mm tall - 2.89g Meeple: 15.98mm wide x 16.24mm tall x 9.93mm thick - 1.12g Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: CKorfmann on April 24, 2011, 12:33:56 pm Is the meeple for the City 2 game the same as the first one, or a new one?
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on June 08, 2011, 08:13:00 pm Looks the same to me, but I never bought the first one so I can't be 100% sure.
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on August 13, 2011, 05:14:29 pm Went to the store today. :)
10th Anniversary Edition Scoring Track: 220mm* wide x 220mm* tall x 1.83mm thick - 40.88g Tiles: 45.08mm wide x 45.08mm tall x 1.89mm thick - 2.70g Meeples: 15.82mm wide x 15.85mm tall x 7.98mm thick - 1.43g Box: 233mm* wide x 233mm* tall x 65.10mm thick (I don't normally measure the box, but since it's meeple-shaped I thought somebody might be interested.) * Measured with a ruler; may not be exact. The Phantom Meeples: 15.82mm wide x 15.85mm tall x 7.98mm thick - 1.43g Box: 58.44mm wide x 58.82mm tall x 23.83mm thick - 23.15g (empty) Naturally I couldn't resist and had to buy one of each color of the box. ;D The Dice Game Dice: 15.94mm x 15.68mm x 15.77mm - 5.25g Box: 110.00mm x 109.50mm x 41.61mm thick - 69.46g I triple-checked the caliper measurements on the dice and got the same numbers each time. You would expect dice to be perfectly square, but apparently not. The dice line up perfectly with each other regardless of orientation, so you can't really tell the difference just by looking at them. I wonder if this makes the catapult side more likely to occur? Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Carcking on August 14, 2011, 09:59:16 am The Dice Game Dice: 15.94mm x 15.68mm x 15.77mm - 5.25g Box: 110.00mm x 109.50mm x 41.61mm thick - 69.46g I triple-checked the caliper measurements on the dice and got the same numbers each time. You would expect dice to be perfectly square, but apparently not. The dice line up perfectly with each other regardless of orientation, so you can't really tell the difference just by looking at them. I wonder if this makes the catapult side more likely to occur? Interesting, are the catapults on the largest face and opposite each other? Or are the faces all random? Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on August 16, 2011, 11:23:11 pm The catapult face is opposite of the meeple face. To the right of the catapult is the CCFF joined face. Left of the catapult is CFCF (two opposing half-rounds). Above the catapult is CCCF, and below is CCFF unjoined. Each die is identical. The question regarding largest face is interesting, so I'll do the math:
Catapult: 15.93mm x 15.86mm = 252.6498mm^2 Meeple is on opposing face and therefore same size. CCFF joined: 15.86mm x 15.89mm = 252.0154mm^2 CFCF is on opposing face and therefore same size. CCCF: 15.93mm x 15.71mm = 250.2603mm^2 CCFF unjoined is on opposing face and therefore same size. The catapult and meeple faces are indeed the largest. I did some poking around on the Internet, and it looks like my suspicion is confirmed: the largest face has a higher chance of coming up. Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: CKorfmann on August 16, 2011, 11:59:07 pm Wow, that looks tedious. You are to be commended. ;D
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Carcking on August 17, 2011, 05:12:34 am The catapult face is opposite of the meeple face. To the right of the catapult is the CCFF joined face. Left of the catapult is CFCF (two opposing half-rounds). Above the catapult is CCCF, and below is CCFF unjoined. Each die is identical. The question regarding largest face is interesting, so I'll do the math: Catapult: 15.93mm x 15.86mm = 252.6498mm^2 Meeple is on opposing face and therefore same size. CCFF joined: 15.86mm x 15.89mm = 252.0154mm^2 CFCF is on opposing face and therefore same size. CCCF: 15.93mm x 15.71mm = 250.2603mm^2 CCFF unjoined is on opposing face and therefore same size. The catapult and meeple faces are indeed the largest. I did some poking around on the Internet, and it looks like my suspicion is confirmed: the largest face has a higher chance of coming up. The largest face will have the higher percentage of landing because the center of gravity is shifted in the die. You essentially have a rectangle. Therefore, the catapult and meeple have an equal chance at coming up, but higher than the other faces. I wonder if that was intentional for game mechanics. In other words did RRG determine that for balance those two faces needed to come up at a certain rate versus the other faces? That's an interesting discovery. You normally assume dice to be equal and represent pure chance. This is more like engineered chance. The true test will be measuring other sets to see if these findings hold. Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on August 17, 2011, 07:15:30 pm Other RGG sets would have been made using the same dies, so I expect them to be the same. However, HiG sets are made in a different factory so I'm curious if they are perfect cubes or similarly engineered.
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Carcking on August 18, 2011, 08:48:35 am Other RGG sets would have been made using the same dies, so I expect them to be the same. However, HiG sets are made in a different factory so I'm curious if they are perfect cubes or similarly engineered. Are the graphics painted on or embossed? Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on August 27, 2011, 03:47:04 pm They're painted on. I've never seen embossed tiles in any game that I've played.
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Carcking on August 27, 2011, 04:50:33 pm They're painted on. I've never seen embossed tiles in any game that I've played. Not the tiles. I was referring to the pips on the dice. :-\ Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on August 27, 2011, 06:03:26 pm Oh, sorry. The images on the dice are engraved.
Title: Re: Sizing Information Post by: Scott on December 06, 2011, 10:49:44 pm The blue Carcassonne tile bag from T&B is 205mm wide by 264mm tall; the thickness cannot practically be measured.
According to GAKDragon, the travel Carcasonne tile bag is 18.5cm wide by 29cm tall. |