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Title: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: obervet03 on December 09, 2012, 05:20:50 pm
Here they are, the new versions of the Completely Annotated Rules!

Wait, what? Versions plural?

Yep. Now that we have a Winter Edition that really can't be played with the Standard Edition (at least not without drawing out of a bag and creating a patchwork landscape), there is a separate document for each one. We are pretty much completely up to date now, with all of the most recent expansions included. And, thanks to kettlefish, we have a bunch of clarifications for those questions that had been left over from the last version of the CAR. As before, both documents have links and bookmarks so you can go from the Table of Contents straight to the chapter of your interest.

Okay, enough chatter.

Here is the link to the Carcassonne: Standard CAR (S-CAR) v. 6.2 (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?6f4vt1pnk07fma5).
And here is the link to the Carcassonne: Winter CAR (W-CAR) v. 1.0 (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?m821bdszykbmyd2).


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on December 10, 2012, 02:35:50 am
Hi Obervet03,

thanks for the CAR 6.2 and for the W-CAR 1.0.  

Hopefully that HiG will publish more of the Winter-Edition in the next Winter 2013/2014.

I think I would miss the rainbow colouring documents in the next time...

Greetings
kettlefish

And for the Rest:
Obervet03 had no contact in the last time to the people who helped with the front page for the CAR 6.2. A new front page is coming in the CAR 6.3.


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on December 10, 2012, 02:33:23 pm
The people at the German Carcassonne-Forum are working at the proof reading for the CAR (http://maik63.bplaced.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=247).



Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: Carcking on December 22, 2012, 09:36:18 am
Excellent work obervet03 and kettlefish!! This is fantastic and I can only imagine the amount of hours you have each poured into this. It is greatly appreciated! Thank you!

Merits for both of you - I hope they stick.


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: Purity on December 22, 2012, 05:22:39 pm
hi there,

there is a small "mistake" on page 22:

> Note: the following tile is shown in the
instructions but is not actually included
in the tiles of the set.

thats not completelly right. i heard the first version of this expansion was a faulty print, which did not include the mentioned tile but another one two times. i ordered this expansion days ago and received a correct one including the missing tile (together with the faulty expansion as spare tiles or to be used for as base for own expansions?)

greetings

edit: just found out that this problem was already know...


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on December 30, 2012, 09:08:26 am
Thanks Carcking,

I know I would loose again this merit point (like the 5 and the more than 106 postings in the past).

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Hi Purity,

I called with Moritz Brunnhofer (HiG) some weeks ago.
I told him about the wrong Gingerbread Man tiles.
He explained me that a new production needs 6 to 8 weeks.
Now he is lucky, that the correct production was finished short
time before Christmas.
Many people had an interesting Christmas present.


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on January 02, 2013, 11:36:45 am
If someone has questions about the rules
and needs some official clarification - please ask.
 
I'll call with HiG - Georg Wild - next week.



Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: Purity on January 02, 2013, 02:15:46 pm
...you could ask him if he could assign klemens franz to design meeple sticker for the remaining meeple in the game (count, dragon, robber, barn, builder and so on). althought he told me that he will aks HiG when he meet the guys again, i don't think that it will bring any results :-)


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on January 03, 2013, 01:30:44 pm
...you could ask him if he could assign klemens franz to design meeple sticker for the remaining meeple in the game (count, dragon, robber, barn, builder and so on). althought he told me that he will aks HiG when he meet the guys again, i don't think that it will bring any results :-)

This is a good question. I think that is something for Moritz Brunnhofer at HiG.



Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on January 04, 2013, 02:14:10 pm
MrNumbers gave me some questions about the Minis.

Has anyone else any questions about the rules?

I will call next week with HiG.


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: Albinoasian on January 05, 2013, 12:44:16 pm
Thanks so much for both of these. I was in Norway to visit my brother over Christmas and New Years. We picked up 5 of the minis and the Winter Edition. They didn't have rules in English so your files made it simple to understand. As we both play the minis with other expansions we're sure to have more questions then.

I was disappointed that they didn't so something to make the base meeples in the Winter Edition different. Give them all white Santa hats or a new colour scheme. Even make them shaped like snowmen. If could have allowed for some fun uses. As you find house rules for the animals in Winter edition could you add them in?

Thanks again


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on January 06, 2013, 03:57:09 am
At BGG are some ideas of house rules for the wild animals:

winter Animals-Simple Variant (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/898132/winter-animals-simple-variant) by Neil Safi

Rules for the 12 animal tiles (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/897820/rules-for-the-12-animal-tiles) by Peter Andersson
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HiG asked the fans if they have some ideas for possible rules for the 12 wild animal tiles.


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on January 14, 2013, 10:47:46 am
The Flyer can land outside the City of Carcassonne (outside of the walls).
The Flyer can also land outside the Wheel of Fortune and outside the school.

The important news are:
The follower who comes through the magic gate can deployed outside the City of Carcassonne (outside of the walls) and can also deployed outside the Wheel of Fortune and outside the school.

I had a telephone call with HiG - Georg Wild today.
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The questions about the Mage and the Witch - are open.
I'll send HiG an e-mail.
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Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: Carcking on January 14, 2013, 10:58:11 am
The Flyer can land outside the City of Carcassonne (outside of the walls).
The Flyer can also land outside the Wheel of Fortune and outside the school.

The important news are:
The follower who comes through the magic gate can deployed outside the City of Carcassonne (outside of the walls) and can also deployed outside the Wheel of Fortune and outside the school.

Oh, that is good news. That is consistent with the dragon and plague being able to occupy those "tiles". Nice work Kettlefish!



Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on January 14, 2013, 03:20:20 pm
My telephone call with Georg Wild - HiG
Some more information:

The Phantom and the magic gate
When the first Follower goes through the magic gate, then the Phantom can't go through as a second follower. The Phantom can only place at that tile.
The reason: The magic gate is a feature like a street.
The rule of the Phantom says that that figure is a follower.
A follower can placed at a open not claimed feature.

The Abbey as a second tile
At the beginning of playing sometimes a tile can't be placed. The player has the choice then to draw a new tile and places it or to places the Abbey tile.

The river II
The tile: GFluss5
That is a tile with a great bridge over the river and joined the city segment to one city feature.
The question at BGG was: How many fields are at the tile? Is the city-bridge separating the fields or is only the river separating the fields?

The answer:
Only the river is separating the field. At that tile are two different features of fields.



Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: meepleater on January 14, 2013, 07:38:06 pm
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Only the river is separating the field. At that tile are two different features of fields.

That's odd, the FAQ here: http://carc.mjharper.de/page8/page8.html says the exact opposite, and that is also supposed to be official from HiG...


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on January 14, 2013, 09:10:02 pm
yes meepleater, but in my opinion is the most revolution, that followers can be placed at the outside from the City of Carcassonne.
That is what I already have been posted:
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The Flyer can land outside the City of Carcassonne (outside of the walls).
The Flyer can also land outside the Wheel of Fortune and outside the school.

The important news are:
The follower who comes through the magic gate can deployed outside the City of Carcassonne (outside of the walls) and can also deployed outside the Wheel of Fortune and outside the school.
Quote
On 18 October 2012 I (kettlefish) was at Game 2012 in Essen, where I had a meeting with HiG - Georg Wild and Christof Tisch. Most of the topics I have already recounted in HiG-Chat and posted here in the forum. But the story of the dragon has not yet been told.

Since the City of Carcassonne is a special starting area, it is often assumed that the landscape areas around the actual City of Carcassonne are off limits. No one is allowed to enter these landscape areas.

Now I come to the meeting with HiG:
The fact is that the dragon cannot actually operate within the city walls of the City of Carcassonne. So there all followers are safe from the dragon.
However, the landscape areas around the walled city of Carcassonne are sort of landscape tiles. Thus, when the dragon travels his six tiles, he can be moved there.
If these landscape areas don't have a follower, pig, or builder, he is not able to eat anything and must go hungry. Nevertheless, he may be moved around the walls of the City of Carcassonne - in the landscape areas.

And here are the old FAQ from Matt:
http://carc.mjharper.de/page0/page0.html

I think there is coming more and more "new" FAQ in the next time.
I have more answers from HiG. Some are the same like all the time and some are changing the "old" FAQ.


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: MrNumbers on January 15, 2013, 12:17:54 am
The river II
The tile: GFluss5
That is a tile with a great bridge over the river and joined the city segment to one city feature.
The question at BGG was: How many fields are at the tile? Is the city-bridge separating the fields or is only the river separating the fields?

The answer:
Only the river is separating the field. At that tile are two different features of fields.

This one is in contradiction with earlier published by Matt.
http://carc.mjharper.de/page8/page8.html

Code:
Odd tiles 
Does this tile have four farms or two? John's guess: Four. Otherwise people will start arguing about every bridge in the game!

Correct. Bridges are considered to be roads.

[Thanks to John Sweeney for this! - Matt]


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: Carcking on January 15, 2013, 09:18:35 am
The Flyer can land outside the City of Carcassonne (outside of the walls).
The Flyer can also land outside the Wheel of Fortune and outside the school.

The important news are:
The follower who comes through the magic gate can deployed outside the City of Carcassonne (outside of the walls) and can also deployed outside the Wheel of Fortune and outside the school.

Also, an important outcome of this clarification is that a follower fleeing the Plague can now freely enter the tiles of the City, Wheel and School. There is no conflict.


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on January 15, 2013, 09:20:23 am
The Flyer can land outside the City of Carcassonne (outside of the walls).
The Flyer can also land outside the Wheel of Fortune and outside the school.

The important news are:
The follower who comes through the magic gate can deployed outside the City of Carcassonne (outside of the walls) and can also deployed outside the Wheel of Fortune and outside the school.

Also, an important outcome of this clarification is that a follower fleeing the Plague can now freely enter the tiles of the City, Wheel and School. There is no conflict.


But I would never become any answers from HiG about the Plague.


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on January 15, 2013, 09:31:09 am
The next part of the telephone call with HiG - Georg Wild:

At BGG was the question.
Dragon - Mage & Witch
Does the Dragon move on a tile where the Mage or the Witch stands? Does the Dragon eat the Mage or the Witch?

The answer:
The Dragon can move on a tile where the Mage or the Witch stands. Theese figures are having an other purpose than the Fairy.
The Dragon doesn't like to eat neutral figures. The Mage and the Witch are neutral figures, too.


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on January 15, 2013, 10:00:30 am
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Question 2:
When I finish, for example, a city with a builder, and the counting follower lands on a dark number field, is only then the dispatch to the use (and possibly even more dispatches at favorable scoring) and then the turn because of the builder of the second tile?
In other words:
Which of the rules
A (dispatch): ?The active player (and only that player) gets a Dispatch tile if one of his two counting followers lands on a dark number field (0, 5, 10, 15,...).?
B (builder): ?On the next turn or a later turn, whenever the player places a tile that extends the road or city (with the builder), he then immediately draws a second tile and places it (this is the double turn and can only be performed once).?
takes precedence?
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Answer to Question 2: Builder - double turn - Dispatch
The BigBox4 says the following about the double turn by builders:
Whenever a player places a tile that extends the road or city which includes his builder, he may take a double turn. Here, after performing the usual steps of deployment and scoring, the player draws another land tile, places it appropriately, and may then deploy another follower and carry out any necessary scoring. Then his turn ends.
BigBox4 has the following comment about the dispatches:
For each scoring round, the player gets only one dispatch ....
From the builder you have two scoring rounds.
If after the first scoring round a scoring figure of the active player lands on a dark field, he receives a dispatch. The active player performs the action of the dispatch.
Only then does the double turn happen.
As a more practical example, the player should first draw the second tile of the double turn immediately after the first scoring round, place the tile face down in his supply, then perform the dispatches-action, then turn over the face-down tile and place it. Then move wood and perform scoring. If the scoring figure is on a dark field again, the player again obtains a dispatch and performs its action.
Anyhow, that is it what I'm reading by the rules - so far, the question is not asked, so I still have not inquired further (at HiG)

obervet03 helped me with the translation.

Now it is official (telephone call with HiG- Georg Wild)

There are two scoring rounds through the double turn with the builder. After each scoring round you can get a dispatch and then perform the dispatches action. In this case are two Dispatches possible.

If you play with the fairy. Then you can get after scoring the 1 point for the fairy a Dispatch and can perform the dispatch action.

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I like more the name Dispatches than Messages. The name dispatch is near the German word (Depesche) than message (Nachricht).


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on January 15, 2013, 12:03:12 pm
The telephone call with HiG - Georg Wild.

The next... That was also a question at BGG:

The CornCircles I + II:
Does the corn field separate the roads or the green fields?

Answer:

Yes the corn field is a separate feature. The corn field (CornCircle) separate roads and also the green fields.




Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: obervet03 on January 21, 2013, 02:48:11 pm
All new answers and clarifications up to this point have been added to the newest (in-progress) version of the CAR.


Title: Re: NEW Completely Annotated Rules x2
Post by: kettlefish on January 21, 2013, 06:07:16 pm
Hi obervet03,

There are some open questions. But the answer knows more Christof Tisch than Georg Wild.
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From 30.1. to 4.2.2013 is the exhibition in Nuernberg.

Perhaps HiG has a surprise for the Carcassonne world...